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why do people in uk or usa, think their countries have gone bad? whenin fact they liv ein paradise.

anybody can become anything they wantin uk or usa, and yet people complain allthe time, that their lives are no good
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CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
I guess they have their own set of problems. They probably don't have to worry that a stray dog bites them and they die of rabies but they might be living a long unpleasant life in a big city with high air pollution, not enough trees around, sweaty gyms and chlorine pools as the only place to work out at, high level of stress to keep up with the competition and the fast tempo of other workers with more energy, less family and less hobbies, consuming processed foods high in sugars and full of ingredients that might cause more harm than good which cause various health issues that won't be serious enough to get a proper medical attention but annoying enough to create persistently bad mood and mental issues.

But now those not living in big cities...hmmm..those probably do live in a paradise.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@CrazyMusicLover Have you looked at London from above? It's quite green.

Arsenal FC's stadiums, past and present.
https://londonist.com/london/art-and-photography/amazing-aerial-photography-london-from-above

The capital contains 35,000 acres of public parks, woodlands and gardens, which means that 40% of its surface area is made up of publicly accessible green space.
https://www.edie.net/london-greenest-city-in-europe/
RedBaron · M
@CrazyMusicLover Depending where they live and/or work. Some folks go at lunchtime.
kittee · 26-30
@ninalanyon yeah i love the parks
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The UK and USA are among the most economically unequal societies in the developed world. It is difficult to become "anything you want" when you are struggling to put food on the table, access basic healthcare, or just find a quiet place to do your schoolwork.
kittee · 26-30
@SunshineGirl in uk we dont struggle for health care its free, like all over europe, and educationis available to anybody who wants it, many peopelinuk who become rich were born poor, we have to make our own luck,
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@kittee If you live in certain postcodes, you might at the moment struggle to find an NHS dental or GP appointment.

Educational success is to a large extent contingent upon home environment (availability of books and a quiet place to study, as well as the support of adults).
Vengabus · 36-40
In the UK we have some very serious problems and have had for a number of years.
Last time I went to A&E I waited six hours with a broken foot before I was seen. Last I heard the A&E waiting times were up to sixteen hours. My aunty almost died last year because the hospital left her waiting with a blood clot in her head for ten hours in a corridor. She was eventually rushed to another hospital after a pediatrician just happened to talk to her and ask her how long she had been waiting and if she had been seen.
The government has allowed sewage to be released in to our water ways, electricity was costing us 300-400 pounds a month last year. We had to move house to free up cash and put solar panels on our roof just to afford electricity, and we were very lucky we could do that. My mum was just using candles instead.
Theres far right rioting going on rn all over the country, it's awful.
kittee · 26-30
@Vengabus yes the tories seemed intent on destroying the nhs, but now labours in, things can only get better
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Concentration of power by corporations and government quangos means Brits. have a poorer standard of living compared to ten years ago.

In the UK, since leaving the EU, ordinary people's lives have altered massively.

Everything we took for granted from availability of fresh food to the world of personal banking has been shot to bits since we came out.
Basically because Boris decided a no deal Brexit was the way to go.

Add to that the numbers of people requiring medical attention or specialist educational placement has ballooned as various incarnations of government has refused to settle legitimate pay claims over the same period of time in order to try and save the taxpayers money.

We've always paid too much tax for things like petrol; booze and tobacco.
They're government favoured budget hikes rather than increase the income tax which would affect votes.

On top of this you can add too many companies not increasing pay sufficiently over the same time period.
Then once covid hit many sought to change terms and conditions of employment for many employees. Rendering their jobs unaffordable.

Construction of social housing has stopped.
Presumably because government now wants children to move back in with aging parents thereby reducing the care expense.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Picklebobble2
We've always paid too much tax for things like petrol; booze and tobacco.
We pay more tax on those things in Norway and the poor are still better off than in the UK.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@ninalanyon Britain has lots of problems.
Many based on decisions made decades ago by either Crown or government in regards to it's discoveries within it's own waters.
But mostly because our government wants no responsibility for it's own people.

That's how you get leaders like Thatcher or Blair and the fallout from those kinds of decision makers is that you isolate the very people you rely on a vote from
AndysAttic · 56-60, M
Because most of the have not travelled.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@AndysAttic

You are absolutely right on that one!!!
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@AndysAttic Or only ever visited tourist resorts when abroad.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
Because we are living the days where we are watching them fall apart. Back in the day is starting to have a whole new meaningful meaning.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@kittee The UK is rich but a large and significant fraction of the population is not. There are a lot of complaints in the UK about prices of food going up. But the real problem is that the poor simply don't have enough money. According to Wikipedia the poorest ten percent of the population has only one thirteenth of the income of the richest ten percent (and a Gini index after tax of 0.355). In Norway the poorest have one sixth of the income of the richest ten percent (Gini index after tax 0.263).

It's not that the country is too poor but that the income of the country is not being wisely spent.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon "It's not that the country is too poor but that the income of the country is not being wisely spent."

That's so true for the US also but the reasons are a political rabbit hole not meant for this thread.
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@Gibbon yes very, very political. like we had 13 million illegals cross our border last year, we pay
RedBaron · M
Which people?

I don’t think the US is all that bad. You’re reacting to the voices of relatively few people being amplified by social media, especially in an election year when one side has a vested political interest in making things seem as bleak as possible and blaming it on the other side.
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I dont think you can equate quality of life being based on just your perspective.

I think the younger gens have it rough, esp genZ , less opportunity, higher cost of living, higher unemployment rate....its awful .

Minimum wage is a joke compared to cost of livng

Crime is awful .

If youre gen x, married and have your own home, you prolly cant imagine how expensive and difficult life is for the gens that follow....esp single people.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@OogieBoogie Minimum wage will never be any use so long as employees lack power and can effectively be forced into unequal contracts such as zero hours. In Norway there is no legally required minimum wage but we have collective bargaining that sets a tariff for most job categories. Any company paying less simply finds it hard to recruit. The result is that even a teenager stacking shelves in a supermarket at the weekend makes more per hour than the UK adult minimum wage by a considerable margin.

Zero hours contracts are also forbidden. They were effectively illegal anyway but a law from 2019 explicitly bans them: https://ogletree.com/international-employment-update/articles/june-2019/norway/2019-05-20/norway-new-legislation-prohibits-zero-hour-contracts/

Solidarity is the solution but how to get there is an unsolved problem. Destroying solidarity however seems to be efficiently practised, especially in the UK.
MeAgain · 56-60, M
I’m going to go with, It’s all Relative for $500.
calicuz · 56-60, M
Like @ChipmunkErnie said, in America, we are spoiled.
Bhs123 · 36-40, F
Who cares
RedBaron · M
Economic inequality is an unfortunate reality that goes back thousands of years.

It’s much easier to talk about the problem than to resolve it.
HijabiMoons · 22-25
@RedBaron putting money into the people. Letting people have the opportunities to create businesses etc; this creates more jobs, so boosts the economy and lowers unemployment rate which would most likely lower the crime rate. Look at that 3 problems solved already
RedBaron · M
@HijabiMoons And where is all this money supposed to come from, the wave of a magic wand to conjure it up out of thin air?

And nothing stops anyone from creating a business, but it’s up to that person to work hard and make it successful.

That’s called entrepreneurship, and anyone willing to get up off their butts and put in the considerable time and effort can try.

But nobody is owed or entitled to anything. Try to be less naive.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I live in NY and I’m already 15 years past the average life span of a man in Sudan .
A long life is paradise for me.
BohoBabe · M
Nostalgia. People think everything used to be great, then everything got bad. Really, they're just nostalgic for how they thought the world was when they were kids. That's why people think things have gotten worse even when they've gotten better.
BohoBabe · M
@ninalanyon There are some things that have gotten worse, but the world is a better place than it was even twenty years ago. In America, people usually look nostalgically at how much better the eighties were, meanwhile this was the height of crime, the crack epidemic, and we still weren't finished with the Cold War.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@BohoBabe The world is better by some measures at least. But in some countries some parts of the population are having a worse time than they were decades ago. I wouldn't claim that everything was rosy in the UK in the 1960s but at least my parents were able to buy a house with just my father's income supplemented by occasional hair dressing work by my mother. Neither had a professional or even technical qualification. Now in the same town it is most unlikely that people with the same kind of skills and jobs would be able to buy a house, they would most likely struggle to pay the rent.

Look at this chart from the Daily Mail This Money page
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-7943741/House-prices-174-years-70-year-period-got-cheaper.html

In 1960 house prices were four times average annual income, now they are eight times.

For a slightly more informative view that separates London from the North and the UK as a whole, but only back to the early 1980s
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5568/housing/uk-house-price-affordability/
BohoBabe · M
@ninalanyon There has been a lot of deregulation in the eighties that led to subsequent generations getting screwed. Americans kinda just excepted that nobody born after 2000 will ever own a house.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Because we're spoiled?
calicuz · 56-60, M
@ChipmunkErnie

Exactly.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
The US has it's problems but there is nowhere else I'd rather live. This truly is the land of opportunity.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@Gibbon That's a fact.
kittee · 26-30
@Gibbon who cares about them, you make your own life,
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I wouldn't call it paradise. What goes on behind the scenes, and what the people who run the planet don't want us to know, is anything but.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Not everyone can become anything they want.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@Entwistle That's true.
People just like to complain.
@MayorOfCrushtown disagree. We see the writing on the wall.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@MayorOfCrushtown Obviously the nonsense isn't affecting you. And your eyes and ears are closed to the plight of others. No empathy.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I agree w you.
HijabiMoons · 22-25
Its not that we have it bad. Its more were terrified of what our governments are going to do. Atleast 80% of tge uk government has sex charges against them. Our country is ran by sexual predators and thats a massive concern for us
caccoon · 36-40
I think it's conditioning to always feel like you never had enough, and have to keep constantly chasing the next big thing, or have the newest vehicle or the best phone... All of that consumerism stuff. Feeling unsatisfied.

If people were content, they would probably not spend as much money.

Things aren't perfect anywhere but I do think we have to learn to be grateful for what we do have. And yes, USA, Canada and UK have it pretty good.
We are not blind. We do have common sense and can see the writing on the wall due to bad policy.. any fool should be able to see the decline of both these countries and these are countries in deep trouble. No offense intended. There are consequences to bad decisions.
They’ve been infested with bolsheviks
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Gibbon · 70-79, M
@jshm2 racist much? Tell us how you really feel.
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