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Longpatrol · 31-35, M
It's to get attention away from them sexually(comservatives) abusing kids.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Strange priorities. Especially as tackling poverty would also make sizeable dents in obesity, substance abuse and incarceration 🤔
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Plus 2.5 million that are homeless.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Also there's a basic contradiction here.
The push to ban puberty blockers, hormonal treatment and whatnot until teens are fully adult will INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SURGERIES PEOPLE GET
It's almost like this isn't about minors at all and instead just about trying to eliminate trans people without claiming that their goal.
The push to ban puberty blockers, hormonal treatment and whatnot until teens are fully adult will INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SURGERIES PEOPLE GET
It's almost like this isn't about minors at all and instead just about trying to eliminate trans people without claiming that their goal.
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Non-intervention is the superior ideal, it doesn't create problems and the left is intervening. So when the left is actively creating a problem harming children that is more important
LeopoldBloom · M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Blanket denial of gender care is abusive to children, same as denial of cancer care or any other medical care. I'm not hearing any conservatives saying that the process to qualify for gender transition surgery should take longer or have other qualifications. Instead, they're saying it should never happen for any reason whatsoever, and doctors who provide it should go to prison. This coupled with laws requiring teachers to inform parents if their child uses a different pronoun makes it look like conservatives aren't interested in children's welfare so much as they simply want to erase trans people. They lost on the same-sex marriage issue, so they're focused on oppressing trans people as a substitute since there aren't as many of them, so they're an easier target. And they're justifying it in the time-tested manner of "but won't someone think of the children?"
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@LeopoldBloom I feel the same way as them on these policies though. I'll tell you what I think is going on here. I don't believe you actually see us that way or at least you don't want to. Your subconscious is telling you there has to be something more, something reasonable, which is why you made the post
LeopoldBloom · M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Any permanent surgical alteration should only be done if there is no alternative. What you're missing is that opposition to genital reassignment surgery has nothing to do with its medical value. It's purely a culture war issue from its opponents. It's not like they care about anything else that only affects 300 people.

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The GOPs geo-political center is the same as that for Christian fundamentalism. Big lobby group.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@MarmeeMarch A minor can't get gender reassignment surgery without parental permission, either. And insurance pays for it.
You seem to be under the impression that an 8 year old boy can walk into a doctor's office and say "I wanna be a girl," and the doctor castrates them on the spot. In reality, the reason so few minors have gender surgery is because of how long it takes to qualify for it.
You seem to be under the impression that an 8 year old boy can walk into a doctor's office and say "I wanna be a girl," and the doctor castrates them on the spot. In reality, the reason so few minors have gender surgery is because of how long it takes to qualify for it.
BohemianBabe · M
Partly it's projection, since the Right wants it to be easier to get away with raping kids. But it's also that a big part of Fascism is biological essentialism as a way to oppress women. Fascists are always arguing that the reason women shouldn't have rights is because society can only flourish if each gender is living by traditional gender roles. However, if we have gender non-conformity in large numbers and society is still doing well, then the point is debunked, which makes it harder to oppress women. So the Right has to oppress queer people as much as possible. They don't want the public knowing that gender is fluid, gender roles are constructed.
And of course, trans panic is a good way to distract from economic issues, which the Right can't win elections on.
And of course, trans panic is a good way to distract from economic issues, which the Right can't win elections on.
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I'm not a conservative, but you've answered your own question, "Minors.”
LeopoldBloom · M
@SW-User So we outlaw a medical procedure that affects 300 kids before we do anything to address other things that affect millions of kids? Sounds about right. Let's stop looking for a cure for cancer until we find a cure for Elephant Man disease that affects 2-3 people worldwide.

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@LeopoldBloom 🤔 Who said let's stop looking for a cure? I know I didn't.
LeopoldBloom · M
@SW-User Gender reassignment is one treatment for gender dysphoria. An insignificant number of minors have surgery compared to the number of minors affected by other things. Conservatives want to outlaw puberty blockers, which have been used for decades, are proven safe, and are used for many conditions besides just gender care.
"Won't someone please think of the children" has been exploited by conservatives for decades because it's an effective way to propagandize.
"Won't someone please think of the children" has been exploited by conservatives for decades because it's an effective way to propagandize.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@MarmeeMarch I don't know - what insurance do they have? Check their policy and get back to me.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@MarmeeMarch Oh, so now we're paying for medical care based on whether you approve of it or not?
I don't approve of circumcision, so let's make sure the government doesn't pay for that either. And I'm also not keen on organ transplants.
I don't approve of circumcision, so let's make sure the government doesn't pay for that either. And I'm also not keen on organ transplants.
eMortal · M
The shock effect. It gets attention.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Because the Heritage Foundation is telling them what to be afraid of.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Fukfacewillie Which is my point. Very few minors are subjected to surgery, and nearly all of them are 17 years old by the time they qualify. Conservatives are conflating this with all gender care as a culture war issue.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom Right. Just wanted to stand up for the non-hysterics.
For what it’s worth while we are on the subject of right wing panic, I’d rather my kid be engaged and told a story by an exuberant and theatrical man in drag than the boring old school librarian.
For what it’s worth while we are on the subject of right wing panic, I’d rather my kid be engaged and told a story by an exuberant and theatrical man in drag than the boring old school librarian.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Fukfacewillie As Dan Savage said, if clowns molested children as often as clergy, it would be illegal to take your child to the circus.