so if Transgender people say the same stuff i do..

@Fungirlmmm thank you kindly. Never heard back from him but cant really blame him for that because it all got derailed pretty fast and a certain other person warned him not to talk to me.
You're always so kind, so I am sure anyone would be better off with you there :)

@Torsten I missed all that.

@Fungirlmmm lucky you haha

@Torsten Finally this thread ends :-)

@val70 didnt enjoy the show?

@Torsten Nah, fell asleep

@4meAndyou exactly but that is not what these activists want. they want that community to think exactly like they do and if they dont, They are outcasts.

@Torsten Its very sad, isn't it. And it will never be. IMO, there is an illness rampant among certain groups of people, like activists and social justice warriors. Try as they may, they can NOT force other people into their own mold.

@4meAndyou very sad indeed.

@revenant
[quote]oh we are not subtle enough...that is the reason !🤣[/quote]
Laugh all you want, but racists in this day and age have to be subtle, or everybody will catch on and turn their backs on them. The dedicated racists, the ones who legitimately wish they could just launch a new Holocaust of whatever minority they hate, have resorted to coded language and subtle hints.
[quote]and you are here to teach us your infinite wisdom....[/quote]
"Wisdom sounds as foolishness to the fool."

@LordShadowfire tell me your definition of racism

Throwing a holocaust ? are you serious here ?

@Spoiledbrat agreed to a extent. Sometimes you have to say things even if it isnt the nicest thing

@TurtleEclipseOfTheHeart so do i

@LordShadowfire I doubt that type of legislation would be allowed most place but the point i am trying to make is based onyour hypothetical question, that person has faced a traumatic event and is doing what that person can do to protect themselves and I support people doing what they can to protect themselves from others, even at my expense beacuse people are horrid and will walk all over you if you let them.

I am glad you can agree that saying things like that does not make one transphobic, bigoted and so on.
I have never heard of people trying to force trans people to detransition, but I am not in America, so it would be easy to miss and if that it the case, I would not support that at all.
The only time i am in support of someone not transitioning is when it comes to children and i say that speaking of chemically altering their bodies. Not because i dont support them being who they feel but because children are not capable of making such life altering decisions and comprehending the consequences of it.
I think they should live as opposite sex and see how that goes for a good while and if they change their minds or anything because I am sure a lot do because most are not trans, I see that just from hearing so many stories about those who detransitioned.
but when it comes to adults, its their life and body. Do whatever to make yourself happy

@Torsten [quote]I think they should live as opposite sex and see how that goes for a good while and if they change their minds or anything because I am sure a lot do[/quote]
That's actually something qualified professionals make potential surgery candidates do, because it [i]is[/i] permanent, life-altering surgery. But if you're not listening to a balance of news sources, you might come away thinking that here in America, the big bad trannies are just recruiting everybody and forcing kids to get surgery. (I'm serious. That's a Republican talking point in this country, and it's absolutely divorced from reality.)

I think a large part of where you and I differ, and may always differ, is that you still define gender as being a product of physical sex. Gender is more of a product of the mind, and there have been studies in which they mapped the brain structure of pre-op transgender volunteers. They found that said volunteers tended to have brain structures ordinarily seen in the average person of the gender as which they identify, rather than their physical sex. If we extrapolate that finding and assume that all (or at least most) trans people experience that phenomenon, it's literally a problem of the wrong brain in the wrong body.

Imagine if, when you were born, the doctor had performed the insane act of taking your brain, removing it from your body, and putting it in that of a baby girl. You would have the definitively male brain you have now, but the body of a female. In your heart of hearts, because that's what your brain tells you, you're a man, but you look in the mirror and see a woman. But people around you don't understand. They say you can't possibly be a man, because physically, you're a woman.

I'm sure it's a lot more subtle than that, but as a cisgender male (remember, that's a legitimate scientific term for someone who identifies as their physical sex, and not something to be scared of), that's the best description my poor brain can come up with.

@LordShadowfire qualified proffesionals may do that but they also give puberty blockers to children. That is chemically altering the body from naturally developing.
I know people try and claim it has no side effects but i dont believe that at all. You can not prevent your body from naturally developing without some side effects.

what you just described is gender dysphoria. I fully accept that as being a real thing and obviously that is why there is trans people.

well if that type of operation was available to switch brains into different bodies, I am sure things would be very different with humans.
I get the point you are trying to make. That is what trans people feel. I get it.
I think the problem you have here is when i say trans women are not real women or trans men are not real men.
I say that because i see that as 100% the truth. You cant just change your gender, no matter how you feel. You can however live as the opposite gender and be treated as such. I have no issue with people doing that and support it but i will never ignore reality to please others and I see it as a spit in the face to the majority of people that we are expected to do that or we are labeled as transphobic and all that nonsense.
I wont be bullied into ignoring reality.
In saying that, if I am given respect, I will give it back 10 times more and will treat people as they wish to be treated.

we have been over this. Dont call me a "cisgender male" i am not that. I do not acknowledge that stupid label. I am a male. Full stop.
this now makes me bring this up. Why are others expected to call others as they please yet we dont get the same respect back? How many people and times have we said over and over again to not try and label us as "cisgender" and people just ignore it and tell us we are that and to get over it.
I see it as hypocrisy and again it goes to showing respect. If people can not show me respect, I wont show it back