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Canada introduces bill to freeze sales and imports of handguns

[b][c=BF0080]Chapeau, Premier Ministre Trudeau![/c][/b]

The Canadian government introduced a new bill today that proposes stricter laws controlling handguns just days after more than a dozen students and a teacher were gunned down in a Texas elementary school.

The proposed legislation would immediately stop the sale, transfer, and import of handguns across the country. It stops short of an outright ban on handguns but would reduce the number of them in legal circulation.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called the bill a “national freeze” on handgun ownership during a news conference in Ottawa just after 5 pm local time.

“Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said. “Canadians are united in wanting to do more to keep communities safe and prevent suicides and gender-based violence.”

“[b]This is about freedom. People should be free to go to school, the supermarket, their place of worship without fear,[/b]” Trudeau continued. “[b]Gun violence is a complex problem, but at the end of the day, the math is quite simple: [c=BF0080]the fewer guns in communities, the safer everyone will be[/c].[/b]”

Present at the announcement were survivors of several Canadian mass shootings, including Ecole Polytechnique, the Quebec Mosque shooting, the Danforth shooting, and the Portapique rampage.

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendocino called the bill the most significant action on gun violence in a generation.

The bill also includes stiffer sentences for illegally owning a gun and gives more resources to law enforcement to intercept smuggled guns. In addition, it prevents people with a prior or current restraining order from getting a firearms licence. Courts could also suspend gun licences for people deemed to pose a danger to themselves or others.

The proposed legislation needs to be approved in a vote in the House of Commons before it becomes law.

(stolen from: https://dailyhive.com/calgary/canada-handgun-freeze-bill)
The guy who freezes bank accounts of the dissenting, seizes guns..pays the media millions, and still to this day holds unvaccinated Canadians hostage, sounds so not like hitler..

Move along folks
Criminals don't obey laws. While you can't get your hands on a gun, they can.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Graylight Thank you...

Your numbers say a great deal.. a fifty percent increase year over year... its not the legal law abiding gun owners who are at fault for all these weapons discharges it is entirely the result of huge number of handguns and ammunition being smuggled into Canada from the USA and the hand gun freeze on legal transfers will do NOTHING in any time frame long or short to reduce this crime wave.. It is NOT ok...

My hand gun is trigger locked, in a locked gun box and that is in a gun vault - unloaded.. It will never be fired anywhere except for a range... it is a target pistol meant for target shooting in a small calibre..

But the criminals.. that is another story... https://www.newmarkettoday.ca/police-beat/100-gang-members-living-in-york-region-police-say-6066936

They are very VERY busy with their smuggled guns shooting people...

And Trudeau and his ministers - have hardly - by YOUR statistics been successful in curbing this criminal firearm activity - they focus on where the problem isn't instead of where it is...

This has nothing to do with lawful citizens who have complied fully with the law and regulations and have been duly vetted by the RCMP.. and licensed - responsible gun owners.. so why have the government made ALL these people into scape goats?

Every person licensed and probably their families will not be casting a vote for the Liberal Party of Canada.. ever again.. so is what the government doing fair? Right? Reasonable? Effective?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@pdqsailor1 No, they're not busy smuggling guns and shooting people.

America will kill itself with guns. It already is. But in a nation where the leading cause of death to a child is by firearm and [i]it's celebrated as a right[/i], I'd expect nothing less. Long as yer rights iz freee.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Graylight there is a world of difference between the USA and Canada in the United States firearms has looked at is a rate protected by the constitution in Canada we don’t look at it that way they are privilege and we have to earn that privilege.
We have to take a firearm safety course we have to submit an application for the license we have to be vetted with references by the Royal Canadian mounted police and if we pass muster they will issue in their discretion a license to us know such barriers to entry exist in the United States. Here there are only two allowable uses for a firearm one is target practice unarranged and the other one is hunting and hunting can only be done with long guns handguns are restricted only to range juice there is no carry permits permitted in Canada unless you need them for the cause of your employment such as a security guard . In the United States most jurisdictions allow carry permits or concealed carry permits for handguns loaded handguns also self-defence is an available use a permitted available use for a firearm in the United States it’s not legal or in any way possible to do that in 🇨🇦.
The only shootings that are taking place in Canada right now are with illegal guns that are smuggled in with ammunition from the United States there is no other source of them. In Canada law abiding licensed citizens have been turned into the scapegoats for the increase in shooting crimes that you have detailed.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Incredible, isn't it? Canada watches our assjackery, then moves to enact sane and sensible measures. More than we can manage.
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Are there "1 to 3 million" defensive gun uses per year in the US?

The "1 to 3 million" figure comes from one "random-digit-dialed telephone survey of 4,977 adults conducted from February through April of 1993" and reported by Kleck & Gertz in 1995. Kleck says the random sampling error of his survey is less than 1%, but if so, that would produce far smaller error bars than 1 to 3 million.

Others have tried to replicate Kleck's data; here's a survey of polling
[quote]https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/[/quote]
Needless to say, they produce much smaller numbers and likely have their own biases. But here's a useful quote:

[quote]We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.[/quote]
What they're saying, in not so many words, is that guns are often used to intimidate. The guy who draws the gun may think he's preventing a crime. But putting another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm is the crime of assault (battery is when you make contact with the other person). So they're running these stories by judges, who say that many reported "defensive" gun uses are actually the offensive crime of assault, unknown to the gun user.

They also say "8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime; 9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens." i.e. they say it's almost impossible to find a criminal with a gun wound who was shot by a law abiding citizen.

And finally,
[quote]Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote]

I'm not saying this Harvard data is perfect, but it asks a lot of specific questions about defensive gun use; and the results do tend to completely undermine the Kleck 1993 polling result.

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Here's the peer reviewed report from the two Harvard surveys:
[b]https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263[/b]

Same author, an analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey from 2007-2011 covering 14,000 incidents
[b]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743515001188[/b]
[quote]Results
Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property.
Conclusions
Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote]
SDGU = self-defense gun use
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Not ONE such case will happen in Canada ... long guns must be transported unloaded in Canada with a trigger lock... in the case of handguns, unloaded, trigger locked and in a locked box.. In your house they must be locked in a safe, unloaded ammunition stored in another room - no self defensive use - or offensive use is permitted.. do so you get criminally charged.. We have virtually No citizens who are allowed to carry a loaded gun in Canada... Hand guns are range use ONLY ... Long guns are range use or for hunting if you have the course and the permit to allow it.. That is the total allowable extent of gun use in Canada. Oh and to move that handgun requires an Authorization to Transport Permit from the police...but they are pretty easy to work with in granting that permit - from your home to the range and back again - period...no stopping for dinner with the locked up empty gun in the car.. Welcome to Canada...
Ozuye502 · 36-40, M
You sing his praises not realizing you are surrendering your self to the will of gooberment giving up your gun rights never ends well
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Burnley123 In Italy, nothing to do with Geneva or the Geneva Convention, duhrrrr 😖🤪
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@spjennifer Nipola and Malin are two goof cities.
Really · 80-89, M
@NerdyPotato I love that clip too, specially as a lover of harmony (all kinds). But try as I might I'm unable to visualise a way of dismantling partisan party politics from within the system, or even just getting some common-sense people elected, without the backing of corruptible - and corrupting - big money. I think we're screwed.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
Good for him, having been born in and lived in Canada, I approve of this, there is no need to try and make Canada into USA2. Canada doesn't have a 2nd Amendment and owning guns isn't a "Right" there, they also have significantly less gun violence than we do so good on PM Trudeau for doing something to protect the Citizens of Canada. Now watch the gun whacko's heads explode with their fantasies of "Goobermint Tyranny"! 😃
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
This proposed legislation will do NOTHING to curb gun violence in Canada. You see legally possessed guns are not used in Crime in Canada... The licensed holders of handguns can use them in one place and in one place only - a shooting range. The transportation of a hand gun requires a special permit from their safe at home to a range issued by the chief fire arms officer and ... it must be moved with a trigger lock in a locked case and unloaded or... the licensed holder is going to be arrested. Those hand guns must be stored in safes, with trigger locks and kept unloaded... no ammunition close at hand... So the law and the reason for it is political bullshit.

All crimes committed with hand guns ... are with guns that have been smuggled in past the governments noses originating from the USA... and sold at a big profit on the street along with smuggled ammunition... This change in law will do NOTHING to curb the traffic in illegal weapons all it will do is to penalize legal gun ownership that already faces the most restrictive laws possible on the ownership and use of handguns.

This is a law with no reason and that will have NO effect except to hurt law abiding licensed citizens of this country who have been vetted individually by the police and who have had to take gun safety courses... and who pay a fee to possess and acquire such guns to the government.

Because the existing laws are already so onerous.. even though I am a holder of a license and can legally purchase and hold a handgun I have chosen not to do so ... because of the level of restrictions already in place..

This is a law for no reason which will accomplish nothing ... except guaranteeing that many never vote Liberal ever again.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
No one in the USA has a firearms acquisition or possession license or has undergone mandatory firearms training.. Canada does NOT emulate the USA.. Here possession of a fire arm is a privilege that licensed holders protect... by complying with the law...yes a fee is paid to maintain a license... @windinhishair Your ignorance is startling.. the ONLY handgun firearms infractions taking place here are with guns that are smuggled into Canada from the USA... Its not numbers of legal guns that are at issue.. It is ILLEGAL guns and those will flood in unabated regardless of any laws that the Trudeau liberals pass until they find a way to stop smuggling from happening.. Criminals do not consider or obey laws they ignore them... you sound like a man truly ignorant of what is going on in Canada and your US statistics or the legal environment are not in the least comparable to what happens north of the border... I do not like ignorant statements that are unfounded or not relevant.. to what the rules and laws are in Canada and you are truly ignorant...
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@pdqsailor1 So guns are used completely differently in Canada than in the US? No one could possibly use a legal weapon for a crime in Canada, even though it happens across the border? I know Canadians are more polite than Americans, but do you have actual data that shows that no legal guns are ever used for crimes nationally, and that ALL crimes are committed with illegal guns smuggled from the US? I will be happy to admit I was wrong if you provide the documented data showing what you falsely allege.

I see that you are triggered (no pun intended) by a simple question about differences in how guns are used in two very similar and adjacent countries, and have to block because you are so embarrassed and have nothing to say. I would love to see data showing why human behavior with respect to guns is different in Canada and the US, if it exists. The Government of Canada is obviously thinking that the nation could end up in a similar situation as the US unless they do something, so they are looking at the data on US gun ownership and gun deaths. But this is obviously too painful for you to contemplate, because your mind is made up regardless of what the facts are. I am genuinely sorry for you and your lack of introspection. Good luck moving forward. You'll need it.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
ok Now you are displaying your ignorance.. Guns in the USA are allowed for home and personal defence, to be carried... In Canada there are two permissible uses - hunting requiring a separate license and permits and range use.. That is it.. @windinhishair Clips for AR 15's are limited to 3 rounds. Handguns to ten rounds on a range only.. Shot guns are also limited for the number of rounds.. Want to guess how many AR 15's are in Canada per capita vs how many are in the US per capita? Guns in Canada must be kept locked, trigger locked and in a safe, unloaded no ammunition in the same room.. If you have someone invade your home by the time you get your ammunition, unlock the safe, get the gun unlock the trigger, load it.. well that is what it takes to keep a gun owner out of prison... Do anything else you go to PRISON . home and personal defence is NOT allowed in Canada using a fire arm period...

I am SICK and tired of attempting to educate an IGNORANT person
ninjavu · 51-55, M
Sadly, as our much smaller (thankfully) gun lobby point out, the freeze is only on *legal* transactions involving handguns. It's a short-term "fix" timed to bump Trudeau's polling numbers that likely wouldn't have stopped the four shootings mentioned, except perhaps the Danforth shooting.

Generally speaking Canada already has decent gun-control laws. Certain countries, no names mentioned, could learn from us. America's "founding fathers" couldn't possibly have envisioned that their Second Amendment to their constitution would have led to bloodshed not usually seen outside of war. If they had, the second amendment would have had just a few more words in it. Laws are written to supplement constitutions, and America has failed to use laws to regulate their Second Amendment.

We have to have licences to operate machinery of all kinds, not the least of which are cars and planes. Why the hell wouldn't requiring a licence to operate a gun not fall under the guise of a "well regulated Militia"?! The Swiss are a very well-armed population, and they have a licensing requirement and almost no gun violence!
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helenS · 36-40, F
@Diotrephes I will not tolerate anti-semitic agitation under my post. Go away and find another place to spread your hate and your lies.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
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Graylight · 51-55, F
@MrBrownstone Let's see. I'm a liberal. You're not.

Neither are you the Amazing Kreskin.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Graylight Let’s see. Not all memes are about you. You are triggered. That’s your problem. Build a bridge and get over it.
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supersnipe · 61-69, M
The sensible side of North America!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@supersnipe You do know that Canada has had very strict laws around handguns since the 1930s don't you? Other than cops and special guards that deal with money or gun collectors with high security clearance can own a handgun now. Strangely enough handguns are very easy to come by. There is a thriving underground market and lots of people get shot by gangbangers with handguns. The only time I ever fired a handgun was when I was in the military.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Wonderful news for humanity. The equation really is as simple as that. Is the freedom for an individual to bear arms really more important than the freedom not to be shot or from having to live your life in a constant state of anxiety?
TexChik · F
@SunshineGirl only criminals will have guns, criminals shoot people, not law-abiding citizens. He just created a black market for handguns. Since Canada never had the school shooting problem to begin with, Canadians just lost a little more of their freedom and are on the way to being disarmed completely.
romell · 51-55, M
Good show Canada america hope you learn else would continue to bleed innocent people
@romell never ever will America give up her guns without a bloodbath.
romell · 51-55, M
@NoGamesTolerated god be with them
@romell And even more when they surrender them. You people don’t seem to understand the bad guys do NOT obey the law. The underground market has always been around. Guns in the hands of all bad guys and innocent people defenseless is a bad, very bad scene!
Pretzel · 61-69, M
when you outlaw guns
only outlaws will have guns

and that includes the normally law abiding that want them for protection.

I have a limited viewpoint obviously - but looking at the way alcohol and drugs have been outlawed...I think people will possess what they want to possess, laws notwithstanding.

We went through a period of enlightenment in the 70s when mental illness was treated with more humanity - and the pendulum swung in the other direction - we don't house the dangerous as we used to - and forcing them to take medications was considered a violation of their rights...

so now we have the mentally disturbed walking around armed.

seems like a rethink on mental health might help. not stigmatizing those with disorders but more closely monitoring them and institutionalizing people that exhibit signs of potentially dangerous behavior

(might end up locking up a few radio hosts and politicians in the process...cost of doing business I guess)
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@windinhishair ahh. thanks. I don't follow politics and didn't know that.

I suspect that real action won't happen unless and until the 2nd amendment is repealed or at least modified greatly.

I never say never - except when I used it in that sense.

Imagine if people could sue gun manufacturers like they did tobacco companies....(sorry to go John Lennon on you) ......or tax guns and ammunition heavily. Not totally out of the question - you CAN legally own a fully automatic machine gun - if you pass background and pay a tax to do it.

I find people more motivated by monetary concerns.

Of course that will make people say "then only the rich will have guns" - well there are a seperate set of rules for the rich...always have been...always will be.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Pretzel Permitting lawsuits against gun manufacturers would have a big impact. I would be in favor of that.

Fully automatic weapons are not legal. Semi-automatic weapons are, and they can be modified to be fully automatic.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@windinhishair I believe they can as long as they meet the requirements (in the US)
https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/

now I think that is perfectly crazy and hope I'm wrong

and you're right, all they have to do with a semi auto is change a cam or two and it continues to fire until it's empty
DrSunnyTheSkeptic · 26-30, M
Big boy Justin, so kind and cautious yet punished people for wanting to help the truckers and declared them terrorists.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote] “Gun violence is a complex problem, but at the end of the day, the math is quite simple: the fewer guns in communities, the safer everyone will be.”[/quote]

Someone in Chicago said about the same thing.
So now in the murder capital of the USA, law abiding citizens are prohibited from having a gun.
Only the bad guys have 'em.

That is not safer for anyone.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Ozuye502 That IS funny.
Cuz reality is what I said.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Budwick How did prohibition work out?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@MrBrownstone [quote]How did prohibition work out?[/quote]

Not well.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
To bad they cant blame the people who actully do the shootings.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Virgo79 There's a difference between a fire cracker and a hand grenade.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@helenS no duh, whats that have do with it
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@Pretzel ban the nails we still have screws, they wont use those.
Whyme · 46-50, M
Did he bring up the fact that he declared war in his own people who were unarmed ?
Slade · 56-60, M
@NoGamesTolerated no. Just the dainty, girly way his legs are😛
@Slade ah yes.. I’ve seen him cross his prissy legs. Lol
Slade · 56-60, M
@NoGamesTolerated As someone with a good pair hanging down, I can attest how uncomfortable it'd be to sit like that😇
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
Prior to this legislation being announced I while licensed had resolved not to purchase a handgun.

However once announced I was placed in a situation that if I did NOT buy one, that I would be precluded from doing so - it was now or never..

So... I bought one and the government forced my decision. I am NOT the only one who did either..

And the gun violence from smuggled illegal guns and ammunition has since then accelerated.. the only shootings that are taking place are with more and more smuggled guns... Ban the citizens who are licensed to do so from buying one and watch the supply of illegal guns skyrocket..

EVERY police agency was against this legislation as being totally ineffectual - scape goat making of law abiding citizens is ridiculously stupid...
Driver2 · M
Three words

New World Order
That's how you deal with it!
trackboy · 22-25, M
crime is the highest in cities where gun ownership is outlawed as the criminals know the victims cant shoot back at them. when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns.
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays I think maybe you need to have a word in Chicago.. where gun laws mean so very much to. them. (Sarcasm) . and children there are shot almost daily…fact
trackboy · 22-25, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays it is likely as criminals know they won't get shot when doing a crime.
Quimliqer · 70-79, M
His bill is nothing more than rubbish!! All the protesters fighting the covid lockdowns and mandatory masking, where are you? This is the freedoms that are being taken away you need to protest!!
If the government really wants to make a difference, put money into stopping the illegal guns coming into the country!!
Teslin · M
The US obviously should do the same !!
helenS · 36-40, F
@Teslin With more guns than people in America, maybe it's already too late. 😕
graphite · 61-69, M
Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens sure will keep the dangerous criminals shaking in their boots.
@graphite I get your sarcasm. Correct.
RedBaron · M
Like that will prevent mass shootings in the US.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@RedBaron There has been a marked increase in gun violence in Canada. Mostly gang bangers shooting at each other with illegal pistols. Nothing in Trudeau's bill will fix that.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@RedBaron Don’t worry. Criminals will obey the law.
Prime Minister Trudeau.

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Graylight · 51-55, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays And if you chose spirit animals from Trump and Biden in his current state...

I'll take a kitten any day of the week. I'm tired of running the whole goddamned world when no one even asked us to.
@Graylight It's not a kitten. It's a pussy. Big difference.
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therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Addressing Mass Shootings And Guns In America: A Time To Take A Deep Breath And A Collective Pause - A Time For Calm And A Time To Analyze All The Factors Which Contribute To Such Tragedies
http://allnewspipeline.com/A_Time_To_Analyze_All_Factors_Which_Contribute_To_Such_Tragedies.php
helenS · 36-40, F
@therighttothink50 Thank you – I will read that carefully. I'm sure it will not represent my own opinions, but I'm here to learn and listen.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
@helenS Here Are 8 Stubborn Gun Facts On gun Violence In America
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@ninjavu We all have different experiences and beliefs. You know things that I don't know and I know things that you don't know. If we could live long enough we would know who had the most accurate opinion about certain issues.
Finding back door ways to get what the Canadian people already said was a horrible idea. Same thing he need with being told "no you can't have absolute power with no oversight"
caesar7 · 61-69, M
It's about time!!!!
helenS · 36-40, F
@NoGamesTolerated We have more mosquitoes than people
@helenS You silly girl… silly Helen. Hey Helen… just want to tell ya this. I read somewhere that you have your grandfather’s rifle. If you have a rifle, then you have more guns than I… but still I will defend our right as citizens to have protection! Remember the bad guys will never care how many laws they make banning guns! JS Helen. ❤️
helenS · 36-40, F
@NoGamesTolerated YES the rifle story is true. And I have 250 rounds of ammunition. Somewhere. Not sure if they are still functional because they are from 1944.
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
@AJS30 Wooo, you're really gonna "Defend yourself over tyranny" from the Goobermint when they have M1 Abrams tanks and A10's and you have your little AR15? have at it kiddo. [b][u]If[/u][/b] the Government really wanted to take over, they could very easily do it and no number of little semi-auto AR 15's would stop them, an AC 130 gunship can put a round in every square inch of a football field in a couple of passes. You gun fetishists make me laugh 🤪

[quote]Everywhere with gun control has worse tyranny. [/quote]

Please back that up with facts, not rhetoric, in which countries is that happening?
@AJS30 Or you could just shoot yourself in the head piece of godshit.
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Diotrephes tbh, I don't think some of the more lunatic ones could be considered as "Hate speech", just dumb like MTG, I'd guess you can't prosecute someone for being stupid, lol 🤪
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@spjennifer Imagine all of the badges, symbols, and slogans you could get on a costume. I wonder how many there are?
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Diotrephes A lot, why just today apparently "QAnon" is back in the news, so prepare for some whacky new shit! 🤪

 
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