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Telling people that being rich or having more money will not help them with their depression is a lie.

I'll revise my current opinion when I find that panel of mental health professionals and extensive clinical trials which advocate extreme poverty as a means of treating depression,

Money may not cure depression but it certainly can buy one enough time, opportunity, freedom, and tools to discover what might.

Cut the bull crap.
PiecingBabyFaceTogether · 31-35, M Best Comment
There's an interesting book I came across called Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki he had 2 dads growing up one was a professor with a master's degree while the other was a freelancer. The professor was the poor one. It's really not as simple as it sounds it's an attitude thing that defines the difference between the rich and the poor. If you convince a person that being rich will only corrupt them they will not even try to figure out ways to get richer.
@Miram Thanks for best answer 🤗
@WhateverWorks That's awesome. I actually didn't read it yet lol but I really should
WhateverWorks · 36-40
I’d recommend it. Even though I’m not in a position to take much of the financial advice yet it did help me develop a healthier mindset about money. I realized my previous negative attitude about money/doing well had really held me back from making constructive choices. @PiecingBabyFaceTogether

WhateverWorks · 36-40
🤔 lots of psych studies have confirmed that money decreases stress both by having needs and wants met, but by being able to resolve issues when they arise. There’s a correlation between money and improved health as well as intelligence likely because of access to resources. There’s this thing where at a certain point emotional well-being caps off. In 2010 it was around 75K, but copycat studies have updated that with the cost of living per year. ‘Life evaluation’ continues to rise though.
@WhateverWorks 💯 🖤🤗
Miram · 31-35, F
@WhateverWorks

I didn't forget that the rich can have depression.
WhateverWorks · 36-40
Oh I know. I was chatting back and forth about rich people eith DarkHeaven @Miram
BlueVeins · 22-25
I always find it funny when rich people say that money doesn't buy happiness. Like if you don't like being rich, then why do you choose to continue being rich?

I think the reality is that money can buy basically anything including the conditions that give rise to happiness, but the stupidity inherent in human nature causes people to use their money to buy misery instead.
Miram · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins Money makes life easier. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idioot or a manipulative liar who benefits from others giving up their own betterment.
BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
It would help, but probably temporarily, and I don't see money ever resolving depression. Not every problem can be solved with money.. You could have weights on your shoulders and your money can't do shit.

There is an interesting concept in economics called "diminishing marginal utility" whereby it was found that your utility/happiness does not proportionally increase with the increase of your income, as a matter of fact, the extra happiness you are getting from extra income keeps on diminishing and this is because once you have satisfied your basic needs, it is all the same. It is like how the first bite when you are hungry is so tasty, but with every bite, it is less tasty because you are more full.

I'd argue that money can make a huge difference to the wellbeing of those who are in extreme poverty because these people are missing their basic needs. But for someone like me for example, middle class (brought up leaning to the poor side rather than the rich side), but my basic needs are covered, I don't see how extra income can solve my depression.
Miram · 31-35, F
@BittersweetPotato

I think people are rewording my vent way too much.

Never did I argue money as cure.

Never did I suggest it will always work or even help.

As to it helping "temporarily', that's to be judged from a case to case basis.
BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
@Miram I am not rewording anything, I am just giving my opinion on the subject. I, for one, had problems that sent me into depression and paranoia, that no amount of money could have solved. As for case by case basis, there have been actually a lot of research done on the psychology of lottery winners, and interestingly enough, winners have usually ended up as happy as they were before... some of them even less happy because of the troubles they have gone into when they had a lot of cash on their hands.
Miram · 31-35, F
@BittersweetPotato From case to case, as in it will be different and not the same for everyone.

I have my doubts about happiness being approached as the opposite of depression, or even in relation to a thread like mine.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Money doesn't buy happiness but poverty precludes it.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Harmonium1923 What do you mean poverty isn't suffering?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Harmonium1923 Poverty is also a relative concept because the economies work very differently around the world.

But if your basic needs are not being met you aren't going to be particularly happy. When I had to make a choice between food and rent, and chose rent, I wasn't doing a dance.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula Yes, I get it. I think we're all basically in agreement here, but saying the same things in different ways.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
Have you already found a panel of mental health professionals that support the view you have here?
Miram · 31-35, F
@SatanBurger You know, it does bother me when people want to defend the rich against ME. What am I going to do to them through a vent in their screen? What kind of disturbing loyalty is this?

I have seen dogs that have more sense of independence than this. They don't worship you just because you throw a bone at them every now and then.

I am old and tired. I feel that I have lived way too long. Talked way too much in general.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Miram You feel like you've lived way too long because you've gone through so many experiences that ages you (not physically I may add.) I'm kind of the same way ever since I was younger, imagine feeling like an old woman by 16.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Miram he sounds like a douche. No matter your wealth (and owning a house doesn't mean you're wealthy), we all suffer the same.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
Interesting topic. The illness of depression can of course strike the rich as well as the poor. And people who struggle with it will often struggle regardless of their circumstances. But you are right that having enough money to meet one’s needs and take care of one’s family removes some
Very big concerns in life (and catalysts for episodes of depression). And being able to find and afford treatment and medication clearly makes a difference.
Tonyv · 31-35, M
Pretty sure robin williams was rich.
deadgerbil · 26-30
@Tonyv you keep acting as if we are saying money magically cures depression

You just said this:

Yall really never heard the phrase money cant buy you happiness?
Whatever its like talking to a wall, go ahead and think a fat bank account just magiclly cures depression.

Why should we go ahead and think that when no one is saying that?

Ironically, engaging with you is like talking to a wall ffs.
Tonyv · 31-35, M
@deadgerbil thats what tou said, you seem to think money helps, it dosent. You can get therapy and counseling for free, so having mote money dosent give you any advantage.

Im starting to think youre bored and just want to argue cause there is nothing money can do to help you out of depression
deadgerbil · 26-30
@Tonyv you assume free services offer the same quality as ones you pay for

Money opens the door to so many different resources that an impoverished person can't gain access to

Additionally, you conflate the increased resources money affords to people with money magically curing depression, which it doesn't. You are saying that's our argument because you're either dishonest or very stupid

Go back to school and learn basic comprehension
True. I don't know why they want poor people to stay in poverty and be thankful while they get filthy rich and travel all over the world. And I'm talking about religious figures here because they are a huge part of this sort of brain washing.
Miram · 31-35, F
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether
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@Miram @PiecingBabyFaceTogether Care about you both. 🖤
iamelijah · 26-30, M
Exactly. I hate some cliche saying money can't buy happiness. Maybe they born as upperclass never been poor. Maybe their depression is different but don't ever dismiss poor class people most their depression comes from financial problem.

Going to therapist or seek professional help I still need money to pay them.
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Miram · 31-35, F
@MalteseFalconPunch Very much this.

No need to give people a boost in pay if it changes nothing
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deadgerbil · 26-30
Literally. Money solves so many issues. I'd have very little complaints if I had billions of dollars
Miram · 31-35, F
@deadgerbil

Some people are very delusional and detached from reality, especially when they are born in privilege
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@nightjourney yup. it doesn’t really make them worse and can solve some.
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Fishy · 36-40, F
When people say that, I always just thought they meant money for extreme riches, expensive trinkets or pleasures, etc, wont help depression because there's a lot more to it

I never really thought they meant it means that poverty is a better option 😅

But yeah, what you say makes sense
This is my thought. You know some of what I suffer and no amount of money fixes that. I will struggle with depression and su!c!dal thoughts most likely ‘til I die. That being said, poverty makes everything so much worse. Love you. 🖤
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
Well said! Everything cost money and there's many avenues one can take if they were self sufficient. You can learn free skills that can help you cope but the rest of the life span, stability always wins over anything else.
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
Nothing is absolute. It can definitely help some people. On the other hand, it can't do anything for others. My uncle is a living example of that.
Miram · 31-35, F
@LookingForTheSummer

It is always the balenciaga toting supreme brick eating mfrd weeping that their financial liberty didn't help depression. I am talking about those pieces of crap not people who mind their own struggles.

It certainly may not.

However it always seems to be those same mouth breathing simpletons that haven't experiences starvation , homelessness lack of healthcare, education, mental nd emotional support etc lecturing others the loudest about how their depression wasn't alleviated in the slightest via money and/or a year long sabbatical on the Côte d'Azur.

*eyes disappear into hairline*

Because clearly since they can't relate to a problem, it simply cannot exist or count as valid reason.
I don’t know who said it but I’d rather be sad in my own Mercedes then sad on a public bus.

Money doesn’t solve depression. But it definitely can help in some ways
I got something for you. 🖤🤗
@Miram I will tell her. ty 🖤🤗
@JustGoneNow her reply. 🖤

@Miram love you. 🖤🤗
Nanori · F
Why do I feel like that this was first said by certain rich people to "calm down" the poor and working class
Miram · 31-35, F
@Nanori Yes, this vent was inspired by a relative who owns two huge farms and never went hungry for single day in his life. Yet he had the audacity to tell his worker who can barely afford his diabetes medication how money won't make life any better because life is meaningless and his depression is not money related.

For some people not experiencing something automatically means it doesn't exist
Lonelyandyb · 36-40, M
You make a good point..
No surprises there
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
I 100% agree with this
MethDozer · M
People who say money can't buy happiness are spending it wrong.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MethDozer Haha I posted a video of a female financial advisor giving out financial advice while being in debt because she wanted a BMW. The logical leaps and bounds that she made was quite reminiscent of your comment just now 😆
MethDozer · M
@SatanBurger I speak in facts.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MethDozer Agreed.

 
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