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Is everyone okay with opening up society so soon?

Germany eased restrictions and the infection rate increased 3 fold.
The US death rate has jumped above 1500 cases a day, again.
House viewings are to resume in England.
I think it is way too early to open. but I am not doing it tough and only have cost of living expenses. No Bills.
So for those who have Family, Mortgages, and other bills to pay I can see the reasoning of opening up society, I hope that there is not a catastrophic infection rate increase as a result.
People are idiots and don't know the GRAVE--ity of the situation. Its all a joke - all an inconvenience - But people need money, however people are too fucken greedy to dip into their savings to use for a few months.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@MarmeeMarch Sig Hiel, i won't 🤮
@spjennifer Yea - OK 🖕🏻
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@MarmeeMarch 🤪🙈💩
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
When it comes to health issues, if you've gone as far as closing places you have to ask [i]is the threat now gone ?[/i] before you even think of opening anything up again.

To my mind the answer is clearly no because not only do you not have a 'preventative' to ensure it doesn't re-occur. You haven't even seen out the risk from the last one !

Absolute insanity to make any kind of judgement based on money rather than risk.
JustNik · 51-55, F
I think we could open up at least much more relatively safely in many areas if we didn’t have so many people who have decided that if they don’t acknowledge the virus, it doesn’t exist. They want their freedoms with no compromise but handily forget that their choices touch everyone around them.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
Difficult balancing act for the various Governments to decide, damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing. There are no winners here, only losers, open up too soon and lots of people die, stay shut down for too long and people start dying from starvation in certain places and conditions. It's going to have to be a different world for all if we hope to survive. Testing is pretty pointless really until a vaccine is developed that works, you could test negative today and be infected tomorrow...
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
I really dont understand the political thinking in most places.. Its not as if you can convince a virus to go away by talking . It shows a total lack of planning by governments that they cant see that getting a % of the people killed is not going to annoy the survivors at the next poll.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
I wouldn't go to a movie or restaurant yet. But that is just me. Like my daddy said "no such things as a free lunch". People gotta pay their bills and companies have to pay their employees.

You can't expect the government to keep sending free money.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Pretzel ....but apparently it's an acceptable risk to watch your colleagues fall dead at work ?
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 I don't know how you can even hope to make that kind of connection.

Need I am in a supportive role in a state agency. I have worked for the last two months and to date only one person has been covid positive in any of our facilities.

We wash hands frequently. Limit contact with people. Some work from home so we can maintain a safe distance.

Nobody has dropped dead that I am aware of, although being civil service it is hard to know for sure.

I hear your concern. I am older and potentially at greater risk. And I know that venturing out will feel weird.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Pretzel Nothing has changed the situation for the better.
No treatment.
No cure.
No dying out of the current viral problem.

In order to be 'safe' in any capacity, you need one of those things or you're just trying to work within a pandemic.

If it all goes wrong you're then looking at a life extincting event.
Not just the odd one or two here and there, but whole companies; factories; schools; colleges; hospitals; prisons; ANYWHERE folk are kept in groups.
Human1000 · M
Trumpists are impervious to facts and logic.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Human1000 Some.
Dirtyboyy67 · 56-60, M
@Human1000 there is ignorance on both sides!
JeanAnna · F
@Human1000 Exactly.
plungesponge · 41-45, M
The deal was supposed to be that everyone isolated to buy time to ramp up mass testing, hospital capacity, treatment and work towards a vaccine, and the government would make that possible by tapping into its reserves and influencing the richest corporations to keep people on economic life support.

Some governments haven't stuck to that deal, they've let the middle class go broke without doing the preparation needed to reopen, they are in a far worse position now and primed for an inevitable 2nd wave.
Viper · M
It depends on the end goal...


If the goal is to save the most life's, then absolutely we're opening back up too early.


If the goal is money or back to normal as quickly as possible, then it's too late, as the quickest way to let the virus go wild and hopefully the survivals will have some immunity to not be as effected in the future.


The fact of life is that you need to set priorities, and what is your priority, life's or money....

Most want to say life's, but the long term reality it's usually money with a lot of people.

But it all depends on your priority.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Viper I don't understand why folk are just blindly accepting this and aren't mad as hell !
I know many here are with Johnson having changed his 'strategy' that many times already.
Viper · M
@Picklebobble2 Because people don't get mad when you give them free money...


Plus the political parties have effective worked together to cause their people to blindly hate the other party, where they're being flying blind and attack everything the other party does, and doesn't question a single thing when the parties work together
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Viper and all the while people are dying !
LUVELACE · T
Not everyone is going to agree with the relevant governments of their countries for personal opinions and views on the covid 19 outbreak,but in general I can understand folks desires to return to some sort of normality,be it they feel like prisoners in their own environment or because cash flow is running low etc etc,but our personal feeling are going to be overlooked by those in power for obvious reasons,so the decisions of the few will effect the many,be it in the form of a relapse of the virus,and if the death toll rise due to the choices of others well then we the public can raise our voices to be heard,but in all honesty I cant ever see the world as we knew it ever returning to a norm,we as humans will always find someone to blame,someone to point the finger at,but when all is said and done we are masters of our own destiny and as such will do what we see fit to survive,there isn't enough honesty coming forward in relation to this virus,especially from the global governments,so until we actually get someone who has the guts to take centre stage and be honest with us we can only act on the advice of others,and because of the lack of truth n honesty I personally feel we may be taking a step into the abyss,and this covid 19 will reappear to bite us all in the arse.But I will continue to do what I have too to stay virus free,and if that means becoming a hermit until such time as an honest logic plan is forthcoming from all governments,i will be master of my own destiny.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@LUVELACE How much time/how many deaths do you suppose people should be 'willing to accept' before there's a mass uprising/revolution against these governments prepared to accept such losses on our behalf ?
[quote]People are going to die. Including your children.....but we need you to go to work !)[/quote]
SW-User
those who are “ brave” will take the AR15s and leave the masks at home...

and weed themselves out of the gene pool

good riddance..
curiosi · 61-69, F
I'm in and been in except for walking my dog which I have always done. As I walk through my neighborhood I see broken furniture, doors etc. by the curb waiting for garbage pick up. It's happening because domestic violence is up. My heart breaks as there are children in these homes. The virus isn't a death sentence but it most certainly is for abused children. The cost of isolation is just too high.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@curiosi or as I read somewhere - the cure is worse than the ailment.
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
The first non essential businesses that opened up in Canada were car dealerships 🤔
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Bagalamaga But realistically you could have said that about any non-essential business that opened up first, car dealers never completely shut down here in NS, they just scaled back a lot and the service departments stayed open. Lots of businesses have suffered from this shutdown so we must try and be a little sympathetic.
fairgame123 · 61-69, C
Herd Immunity 🤔 it will be the only cure
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@fairgame123 For the survivors, sure.😷
JeanAnna · F
No, we'll see more deaths.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
[quote]"Germany eased restrictions and the infection rate increased 3 fold."[/quote]

I checked on the Johns Hopkins Covid site, and it doesn't seem to show a 3-fold increase in new cases in Germany. The last datum on their bar chart is from 5/12/20.

Platinum · M
As deaths are averaging 500 a day still, we should take it a week at a time before coming out of lockdown...we are at least a week too early....
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Platinum a month at a time.. So the doctors can catch the effects before they get away
SW-User
It's a tough situation for everyone.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@SW-User Except for Trump and Johnson it seems.
Apparently it's acceptable to throw trillions in borrowed money at business yet not one cent/penny at healthcare
SW-User
@Picklebobble2 lol. I stand corrected.
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Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T
im ok.. i need to buy cloths for myself soon..
Money is all I have so yeah.
fairgame123 · 61-69, C
Yes today open it all up

No. Definitely not.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
In some ways yes. In other words no. People just have to be aware and very careful. At all times. 🙂

 
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