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robb65 · 56-60, M
No, but my guess is that we will never get to the bottom of it because too many people have an interest in covering their involvement. China is not about to admit they had anything to do with it, they even hinted that"MAYBE" we should be looking at the US military. There's really little doubt at this point that we were involved with the lab at Wuhan and that they were doing "gain of function research". We know that this funding was supposed to have ended under Obama but somehow they managed to fund it anyway.
Meanwhile it has also leaked out that a British scientist petitioned the government there for funds to "vaccinate" some bats in a cave (he also had ties to a company in the US). They never received those funds but it is unknown whether or not those experiments were carried out with funds from somewhere else.
Want to guess who was screaming the loudest that it could not have leaked out of a lab? Scientist with ties to Wuhan, who knew full well there was "gain of function" research going on there.
Meanwhile it has also leaked out that a British scientist petitioned the government there for funds to "vaccinate" some bats in a cave (he also had ties to a company in the US). They never received those funds but it is unknown whether or not those experiments were carried out with funds from somewhere else.
Want to guess who was screaming the loudest that it could not have leaked out of a lab? Scientist with ties to Wuhan, who knew full well there was "gain of function" research going on there.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@robb65 Why [i]this [/i]strain?
Every single year, new flu strains evolve. New bacteria and viruses make the jump from animals in the wild to humans. New species of bacteria are discovered, old diseases surge back after contact with the wild.
Why is [i]this [/i]strain the "conspiracy strain?" We can bioengineer near-impossible to detect agent that can take out whole villages. We need nothing new to decimate the world population. And what lame-ass nation released a low-medium stain (historically speaking) with so much available at the fingertips? And which nation wins when everyone else is dead? What would even be the reason for a pandemic? Keeping in mind we can't manage flight schedules, we are managing a pandemic of epic proportion with secrecy and continued success. Right.
People get sick. They die. In this case, they died from a brand new stain unknown previously to man. You know ho we know? [i]There's nothing in the research about it[/i]. We can't engineer what we don't have the building blocks for.
This all has an upside, by the way: the vaccines are now being extrapolated and developed for Alzheimer's' cognitive function issue, other infections and even AIDS. But I'm sure no one will question those.
Every single year, new flu strains evolve. New bacteria and viruses make the jump from animals in the wild to humans. New species of bacteria are discovered, old diseases surge back after contact with the wild.
Why is [i]this [/i]strain the "conspiracy strain?" We can bioengineer near-impossible to detect agent that can take out whole villages. We need nothing new to decimate the world population. And what lame-ass nation released a low-medium stain (historically speaking) with so much available at the fingertips? And which nation wins when everyone else is dead? What would even be the reason for a pandemic? Keeping in mind we can't manage flight schedules, we are managing a pandemic of epic proportion with secrecy and continued success. Right.
People get sick. They die. In this case, they died from a brand new stain unknown previously to man. You know ho we know? [i]There's nothing in the research about it[/i]. We can't engineer what we don't have the building blocks for.
This all has an upside, by the way: the vaccines are now being extrapolated and developed for Alzheimer's' cognitive function issue, other infections and even AIDS. But I'm sure no one will question those.
robb65 · 56-60, M
@Graylight It could very well have been a different strain. It could have even been a totally different virus. There's even reason to believe that at the very least they were wanting to experiment with things much more nasty than covid that would have had a much higher death toll. This just happened to be what managed to escape. I'm not convinced it was intentional, maybe it was incompetence.
What I am certain of is that there are people with connections to that lab, and who were personally involved in petitioning the US government as well as the UK government for funds for research of this nature and at the very least should have suspected that covid could have possibly escaped from that lab, and yet these same people tried to point investigators away from Wuhan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9653613/British-doctor-Peter-Daszak-worked-Wuhan-scientists-secret-plan-stop-lab-leak-theory.html
What I am certain of is that there are people with connections to that lab, and who were personally involved in petitioning the US government as well as the UK government for funds for research of this nature and at the very least should have suspected that covid could have possibly escaped from that lab, and yet these same people tried to point investigators away from Wuhan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9653613/British-doctor-Peter-Daszak-worked-Wuhan-scientists-secret-plan-stop-lab-leak-theory.html
Graylight · 51-55, F
@robb65 [quote]here's even reason to believe that at the very least they were wanting to experiment with things much more nasty than covid [/quote]
Plague.
Smallpox.
Ebola Virus.
Marburg Hemorrhagic Fever.
Anthrax.
Clostridium Botulinum Toxin.
Hantavirus.
We have [i]so [/i]much more than Covid. Things that can kill in hours, that cause a person to bleed from every cell and orifice, odorless and tasteless gasses, powders that take less than a thimble-full to infect an entire airliner.
Your information and your source are both incorrect. This can be discovered through any number of reputable sources.
Plague.
Smallpox.
Ebola Virus.
Marburg Hemorrhagic Fever.
Anthrax.
Clostridium Botulinum Toxin.
Hantavirus.
We have [i]so [/i]much more than Covid. Things that can kill in hours, that cause a person to bleed from every cell and orifice, odorless and tasteless gasses, powders that take less than a thimble-full to infect an entire airliner.
Your information and your source are both incorrect. This can be discovered through any number of reputable sources.
Elessar · 26-30, M
Two years later no one of those politically invested in claiming it's artificial managed to provide any evidence, aside from the "the first case coincidentally was close to a lab", which isn't evidence at all.
Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and assuming the Chinese (or anyone) have the means to engineer a completely new virus from scratch, quite different from its closest resembling "relative", is quite an extraordinary one - the most logical explanation is that, just like all the previous pandemics that plagued the past, also this one is the result of a natural event, in particular a zoonotic spillover.
This obsession with an artificial origin is nothing more than the result of fear and denial: people simply don't want to acknowledge that, no matter what, nature has a tighter grip on us than we have on it. That, and the fact that many people think their lives are, essentially, a movie.
Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and assuming the Chinese (or anyone) have the means to engineer a completely new virus from scratch, quite different from its closest resembling "relative", is quite an extraordinary one - the most logical explanation is that, just like all the previous pandemics that plagued the past, also this one is the result of a natural event, in particular a zoonotic spillover.
This obsession with an artificial origin is nothing more than the result of fear and denial: people simply don't want to acknowledge that, no matter what, nature has a tighter grip on us than we have on it. That, and the fact that many people think their lives are, essentially, a movie.
Graylight · 51-55, F
There's absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. This is how viruses evolve and spread, much "information" on conspiracies has been easily disproven and we're doing exactly what it is people do in the wake of great events - we created convoluted reasons so impactful they warranted such suffering.
Covid is a virus, just like any other. Deadlier than many, tame compared to some. Life will continue on.
Covid is a virus, just like any other. Deadlier than many, tame compared to some. Life will continue on.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
I fall firmly in the camp of we really don't know at all, but it's a little too coincidental that COVID would first appear in the same city where they've been doing gain of function research on coronaviruses.
That said, the first known case originated several miles away from the lab in which that research took place. Considering all that's in-between the lab and the wet market in a super densely populated city, it's kinda weird how isolated the first few cases were to the wet market and not anywhere else.
At this point, I highly doubt we'll ever know for sure, so talking about it is basically just getting political partisans riled up for nothing
That said, the first known case originated several miles away from the lab in which that research took place. Considering all that's in-between the lab and the wet market in a super densely populated city, it's kinda weird how isolated the first few cases were to the wet market and not anywhere else.
At this point, I highly doubt we'll ever know for sure, so talking about it is basically just getting political partisans riled up for nothing
ButterRobot · 51-55, M
@TinyViolins this balanced view 👆
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
Yes all you have to do is look at pandemic history and it makes perfect sense that it happened. We will make a big deal of it and talk about all the things we need to do in the future, maybe even do some of them then draw back into our complacency and let it happen again. With what we learned only the nutcases think it is a conspiracy.
I should not have said nutcases that was not nice, true but not nice.
I should not have said nutcases that was not nice, true but not nice.
MorbidCynic · F
I can see it going either way. I know the Chinese have a unique interests in using things such as ivory as medication, so I don’t think it’s too far fetched to use a bat in a similar purpose. But also governments in general like to do experiments on diseases.
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
@MorbidCynic i hope it goes away next year or later this year
Torsten · 36-40, M
yeah It just magically appeared in China out of no where and spread all over the world in a really fast amount of time due to a incompetent Chinese Government and poorly handled by the rest of the worlds leaders. Totally au naturel.
Nah that shit was made in a lab, I would bet my head on it
Nah that shit was made in a lab, I would bet my head on it
MoonMoon · F
great idea to let people that barely understand what a virus is give their opinion on a topic they understand absolutely nothing about...
Elanor · F
We’ll ever know the truth. The government didn’t act quick enough imo, they were quiet about it for far too long…. They still are.
The outbreak came from Wuhan where there’s a laboratory and street markets - I think they messed about with a certain animal in that lab and something happened
Throughout hundreds of years of selling street food in China there's only been one outbreak and supposedly from a animal and supposedly it was natural I mean it sounds like bs to me
The way the Chinese government behaved towards people there who wanted to warn the world as well
Very suss.
The outbreak came from Wuhan where there’s a laboratory and street markets - I think they messed about with a certain animal in that lab and something happened
Throughout hundreds of years of selling street food in China there's only been one outbreak and supposedly from a animal and supposedly it was natural I mean it sounds like bs to me
The way the Chinese government behaved towards people there who wanted to warn the world as well
Very suss.
MonaReeves86 · 36-40, F
Neine