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Respectful debate please.

Morning all.
Now I don't consider myself transphobic. Fully support those who choose to transition properly and it isn't just a fad.
However picture this scenario, and I'm interested in your views.

A child in a school (female) with complex personal care. Requires staff to be trained to do a procedure and does require two members of staff present (trained, and witness) for safety purposes.

Member of staff at school originally identified as a woman and was Miss X and is now wishing to be referred to as Mr X. No actual physical transitioning at present.

No male members of staff are allowed to be present for obvious reasons.

Your thoughts?

I personally think if you wish to be addressed as a male you should be respectful and not be present during a procedure with a female child.
Torsten · 36-40, M
that person would still be a female no matter what her feelings are, so her still doing that job i think is fine unless she tried shoving that stuff on the child
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@Torsten Yes okay fair point. However if they then decided to transition to have the male genitalia (biologically they're still female) would you still think the same 🤔 school policy is to have only female members of staff present 🤷
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Purplerain78 you mean mutilate their bodies to have something resembling male genitalia.
that person is still a female, no matter what they do to themselves. they are just living as the opposite sex but it still does not make them that and I dont think they should be allowed on the other side of it, like if that female was put to be a carer for a boy instead of a girl.

If they keep their opinions and identity politics to themselves and just be professional, i think it shoudl stay the same and if they cant do that. They should all be fired and not allowed to work around children
dale74 · M
Children need to be free to live they change their minds all the time. One week my child likes one item to eat the next week she can't stand it. A child is not able to make an informed decision that will affect the rest of their life. Parents who take what a child says one time when they're 5 years old and develops the rest of their life around that decision is child abuse. Let the child grow up when the child reaches 18 if they want to be chemically castrated and mutilate their genitalia that's their decision you can't take out a loan until you're 18. You can't get a tattoo till you're 18. You can't go off and fighting wars through conscript unless you're 18. So why are we letting people who are under the age of reason determine whether they get chemically castrated and their body mutilated through chemicals at such a young age.
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@dale74 That isn't what I'm talking about. Try reading again.
twistedrope · 26-30, M
imo go back to process and procedure. Procedure trumps feelings in healthcare almost every time. Mr X will no longer be involved with this child as that was the parameter set out in the plan of care criteria. No men allowed.
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@twistedrope That's how I see it.
If person wishes to be seen and addressed as a man then the care plan needs to be honoured as originally stated.
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Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@dale74 Again you've completely missed the point of my post. Well done you 👏
helsbels · 31-35, F
I think I would have to disagree, (as far as the person not being allowed to be present goes) as by the same token, if the child/parent of the child wants same-sex care only I would want them to be able to decline a man who 'identifies as' a women. The person in question could/should probably excuse themselves, but in factual terms they are still a woman.
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@helsbels Yes they are but if wanting to be referred to as Mr. I assume they wish to live like a man, use men's toilets etc.
They already dress like a male as far as I'm aware.
Any decent person would excuse themselves. Awkward topic when parents haven't been informed.
ArtieKat · M
It's a fraught situation undoubtedly. Without knowing what the procedure is it is difficult to be precise but if it is something medically-related I would raise the question of whether healthcare professionals may only deal with same-sex patients (disregarding whatever may be preferable protocol).
Adogslife · 61-69, M
This is a gray area relative to a clearly stated POC. I’d ask the parent(s)/guardian what their addendum to the POC should be.

Until that is accomplished, you have to assume Mr. X is unwelcome. He doesn’t get a vote.
pdockal · 56-60, M
Doesn't mater how one identifies
It's a matter of biology and if the child is comfortable with it being present
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@pdockal If it's stated in a care plan two females present and one identifies as a male that's going against the policy. Parents have a say when it comes to personal care.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Purplerain78

The parents should always have control over their child and who's present
Transition is a lie, castration and hysterectomy are mutilations, there's no telling people. Go have surgery and then attempt to mate. It's gruesome.
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@Roundandroundwego Seriously did you even read my post?
gol979 · 41-45, M
Parents should be informed then they can make a choice what is best for their child
With the way schools are now and the way they are going all im going to say is HOMESCHOOL !!!!! HOMESCHOOL !!!!!!

 
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