In a word, yes. Men have been slowly told for years and years that acting manly is wrong.

This will NOT be popular, but I think we, as a general population of women, have sent mixed messages. We want masculine, manly men, but we want feminism too. We don't want leaders, we don't want to be defended, we don't want our doors held open or our dates paid for or other chivalrous things because that's supposedly degrading to us as women, Yet, we ask....Where are the MEN? I truly believe, in so many ways, the feminization of men is a direct result of what women have asked for. Men and women are NOT the same, nor should they be, yet we've bought into the lie that equality means everyone has to be exactly alike. That's my two cents. :-)

Yes. The West is a highly feminized society which praises femininity and demonizes masculinity. Check out Karen Straughan on YouTube.

A short way of showing this is the difference in public opinion if a scientist or group finds that men are smarter than women. Pitchforks and torches would be brought out. They might get sued or forced to quit their jobs.

On the other hand, if someone finds that women are smarter than men, praise upon praise is lavished upon them.

I.e. Women got this shit on the lockdown and have for awhile. Third wave feminism won pretty hardcore.

Female solidarity might play a role. Women will defend other women simply on the basis...that they are also women. Men don't function like this. Men have to have something else in common with men, other than they are also men. This is proven, btw. So, I think that might play a role.

But yes. Third wave feminism has invaded everything and tried shifting everywhere into female safe spaces--even male safe spaces. Example would be the workplace, where even if a woman isn't party to a conversation, if she even hears anything crude that two men are about, she can sue them for sexual harassment.

I sort of view it like the romantic power struggle in a relationship. Women will fight for the power, but they don't actually want it. They want the man to be assertive and show his masculinity. Well, this happened on a societal level and women won and keep winning.

Eventually, shits going to blow up and men will finally have had enough of this lack of respect. Manhood was celebrated in the past. This was a cookie that men got for doing the dirty and gritty jobs of society. Of being the disposable pawns. But it was all good, because "At least i am appreciated for it". However. Today, nothing men do is considered good enough. It's just expected. And it's going to blow up. Is it any wonder men are starting to go, "wait a minute. This is kinda fucked up."

Male disposabikity is a male responsibility. E.g. if a man and a woman are in a house fire, it's expected that you save the woman every time. In the past, men did this as a whole with little complaint. Because their masculinity was respected. If you ask me, since they've lost that respect, they're going to stop doing it.

I might have rambled on a bit much. Sorry. But, big topic for me. Karen Straughan has a lot more to say on the topic--and better phrased and more in depth--and im basically just paraphrasing her.

The problem is there is no such thing as being "masculine" in an absolute sense. What makes someone "manly" varies wildly from one culture to the next. That and alot of what is considered traditionally masculine in western culture is actually extremely toxic and totally dysfunctional and belongs on the dustbin of history.

O come on...
Just what the fuck is a man these days 🤔
A brute or not brutish enough

[c=#7700B2]just for the record, sending me pics of ur penis does not make you masculine. It makes you a complete asshat... Should have know writing this would make some insecure guys send disgusting photos to me.[/c]

It's an interesting hypothesis.
When one considers many factors, such as the fact several generations of men have now been raised by single mothers.
The end of so many jobs for life. Once thought of as 'men's work'- mining; engineering; farming; shipbuilding; etc.
The slowdown in numbers getting married and having children.
The fact that women have been actively encouraged to seek out their own employment over the last forty years.
Yeah.....That saying may soon become a fact !
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle !"

Masculinity is dying.. women suffer for the lack of it in their lives... when they find it it's electrifying

No doubt. Young men are being feminized and tests show a loss of testosterone levels. This is a fact and there are many reasons. It is getting late for me so I will continue, tomorrow.:)

they're still out there.... (just don't look in california or New England.)

Men used to do most of the work and province 75% of the income. Then we had political correctness and the war of the sexes. It was not that hard to convince them they needed to work less and let women earn more of the money needed to run the family.

Then there is also bpa in everything, lowering testosterone levels and video games instead of playing outside.

I mean, my answer depends on what you consider "manly." Because too many people think that being some buff ass dude who cares about nothing but sex and sports and alcohol is manliness. Which it's not. But on that same token, Cover Girl makeup has a male model now, and that's just sad. That's definitely killing off manliness.

Wow... look at the butthurt.

Says much.


And here I'm a guy.

I thinks that's why there is so much frustration among the men of my generation. Many feel they have been stripped of their role as it's less OK to be macho, so it's almost become a subculture to want to be the breadwinner, and have a partner who is submissive and stay-at-home.

It's interesting.

To me, masculinity is a quality that an individual exudes naturally and this never changes. Some will always have that innate 'something' that gives off an aura of authority, leadership or assertion. What I would say is that men have had to change to avoid falling foul of modern convention. Being gallant, for example, can lead to a rebuke and men now feel edgy about giving their seat up on a bus or offering to help a lady with something. I'm not saying this is always the case but there is an increasing accusation of sexism these days that I, personally, see as a pervasive phenomenon. I stand ready for some 'incoming'...

Yes. Unfortunately. Effeminate seems to be a fad. 🤦
We should just embrace our naturalness. I'm certainly going to continue to be feminine! It's the differences, the dichotomy of masculine and feminine that make us shine individually and come together. A delicious blending..

I think masculinity is simply evolving. Men are ok with their partner making more than them. They participate more in the raising of their children. They are becoming more open with their emotions. I think this is a great thing!

I think if anybody is killing masculinity, it's women.

I certainly hope not. But I do sense that in the media and some social circles that men are portrayed as lees manly and more feminine

What masculine traits do you see disappearing? Or what feminine traits are being displayed by men?

I still want to know what you mean by 'embracing masculinity'. Should I be putting up Playboy centerfold pictures on my wall? Throw myself on a live grenade? Grab my secretary's ass? Hunt bears with a crossbow? Emulate John Wayne and shoot all the bad guys?

What is lacking in today's men? Insufficient drive-by more bar brawls? What exactly do you seek that the men of today lack?

I thought that was the goal of the whole metrosexual thing? No?

[image deleted]No, it's not. We play roughy sports, lift heavy and defend the weak. Those silly little beta males call us dorks, savage and meatheads, but when it comes to saving their ass sometimes, we don't back off.

Isn't it good to see some quality debating?☺

yes, it is, because women changed

Girls taking over fast.

I've received a lot of bad teaching about how to interact with women.... none of it worked and it leads to loneliness and frustration. I taught myself a few things in my late twenties. My life is all the better for it.

Noooooo. 😡😡

probably because women dont need men to hunt for them anymore.. they have to evolve to have other skills, be more diverse or be pointless

so are you saying you want me to be more like cavemen And when they see something that they want they just go up and take it

It may seem so, and for it to not be so, it might be needed to be seen so, so then it can be more so as a reactive force.

Do you like men to be feminine???? Just wondering

Look at history please.


Again this is not a new issue.


Generalizing through association is idealism.

No it's not. Whoever thinks so is dumb as hell.

That's very true....and in my opinion, quite sad...

No this isn't the case. It's alive and well as before.

Sorry not into gender assignments.

I believe so.....

Yes.