@SW-User it still not doing something. Nothing will get better with them people

@iness that don't matter

@SW-User it's not going to change of you don't engage, that is fact. It may change and no doubt it will be a struggle, if you engage. I don't just mean by voting but by reading, researching etc, and releasing our minds from the mainstream brainwashing.....the more of us that become aware of the machinations of power and establishment the better we are prepared to change it

@gol979 or they all die an start from scratch

@SW-User if that's what you think will make a better society.......but you have to engage and learn first. It's easy to say, well they're all.the same.....so fuck it. It's harder to engage and try and change the corrupt system

@SW-User they care about rich like them

@SW-User Sure, but we don’t just vote for politicians. There are propositions and measures dealing with taxes and health care and the environment. Those mean more to me than voting for lackluster politicians.

@gol979 I’m sure she is a little cynical (as am I)....but I would rather use my right to cast a vote for those I think will do a slightly better job than the other than to not vote and let others make that decision for me with no input on my part. I might well be on the side that is outvoted (but they would have been outvoted by a larger margin if people like me didn’t vote).

@DragonFruit I'm not saying not to vote.....see where I'm coming from with my other replies. I was just stating that I can understand his apathy but you need to.be engaged and up to speed to create genuine change

@gol979 Obama was a [b]moderate[/b], not a liberal. That’s the first thing people get wrong, and why the only reason the right wasn’t willing to work with him was because of their racism. If he’d been a white candidate they would’ve found more common ground with him, because he [b]was[/b] initially amenable. That was why he used the Romney model for the ACA, rather than just extending Medicare to everyone, similar to NHS in the UK. It was originally a GOP program, and they could’ve help him tweak its flaws so that it worked for everyone. But instead, they turned healthcare into a partisan issue, labeling it “Obamacare” so that their racist constituents would push back. Now people are back going to the ER for healthcare. But in terms of social policies, Obama also supported women’s rights and programs that helped citizens. And regarding illegal immigrants, he followed the law as it stood without needing to demonize people, the way Trump does now. Obama also supported DACA. And under his watch “don’t ask don’t tell” went away and SCOTUS passed Obergfell v Hodges.

@DragonFruit well they both evil so it not a win

@SW-User Sometimes, getting “not so bad” as opposed to “terrible” is a victory (no politician is perfect or can satisfy everybody, so we do the best we can). It’s just what you do in other situations.
We don’t have perfect houses, perfect cars, perfect phones, perfect schools, etc.....so why do you bother choosing one over another? Because you see it as better for you than something else one for one reason or another. Life is full of compromises, but we have the ability to choose rather than having to accept someone else’s decision....that’s why I vote.

@smileylovesgaming they do opposites

@JaggedLittlePill Just two more days before this all simmers down. Tomorrow will be a day of whining, finger pointing, and beating dead horses. After that, I'm hoping it's mostly over aside from the few people who seemingly cannot discuss anything else.

@SW-User I think I shall take a social media break for the next few days.

@JaggedLittlePill I was considering the same just like I do between September 10-12 every year. See you Thursday. 😆

@Bruja yeah so no point

@MarmeeMarch I'm not even register to vote