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UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@BabyLonia Over here in California, specifically in the Silicon Valley, there's a lot of highly detrimental tokenism that goes on in companies trying to promote a specific public image. Not really with hiring women(though it is true in those cases for some too) but moreso in hiring minorities. To the point they will have a considerable portion of their staff being underqualified minority and it drags down the quality of their products as a result. This then leads to tension in the offices that perform this tokenism that can boil over into full-blown racism, which is exactly the reason why tokenism is something best avoided. It will lead to people who are qualified for roles being turned down for an underqualified competitor because the competitor fits a specific criteria, then will cause the qualified workers to feel aggression toward the underqualified worker who only got the job because they're the token minority the company wants for staff photos.
Mind you, this has a kind of amusing comparison to sexism in that, for purely genetic reasons, there are more women than men on the planet. If you were to go with statistical tokenism then men would be permanently stuck in the minority in all fields. That's not good either. The ideal is for the best qualified person to be picked regardless of race, gender, culture or nationality. And, of course, for all people to have equal opportunity to acquire the skills to be that most qualified person.
Mind you, this has a kind of amusing comparison to sexism in that, for purely genetic reasons, there are more women than men on the planet. If you were to go with statistical tokenism then men would be permanently stuck in the minority in all fields. That's not good either. The ideal is for the best qualified person to be picked regardless of race, gender, culture or nationality. And, of course, for all people to have equal opportunity to acquire the skills to be that most qualified person.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@UndeadPrivateer Yeah and we have a base issue where the talent pool simply isn't there because all the women got chased out of tech in the 70s. So we had a generation who are now prime age for the work force grow up being told computers are for boys. My experience is public sector so the silicon valley problem is only one I'm peripherally aware of. A sudden run on a need for women in boards to keep up appearances is gonna bring trouble and I appreciate the practical problems there.
I still think merit is a load of crap but if someone is underqualified they're underqualified. It's a huge growing pain.
@BabyLonia Yeah, that's another enormous problem -if you wanna be a super successful woman you're basically not allowed to have a family. The solution is really great paternity leave and more dads staying at home to raise kids but that's a long-term cultural change (short term policy one though).
I still think merit is a load of crap but if someone is underqualified they're underqualified. It's a huge growing pain.
@BabyLonia Yeah, that's another enormous problem -if you wanna be a super successful woman you're basically not allowed to have a family. The solution is really great paternity leave and more dads staying at home to raise kids but that's a long-term cultural change (short term policy one though).
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@CountScrofula (Using quotes here to make it more clear what I'm referring to.)
That line confuses me, I don't understand what you mean. You don't think skills are a real thing? :?
It's more than a growing pain. It literally destroys some companies and as a result people's livelihoods.
The lack of women in the tech industry is definitely something of a cultural child rearing issue, though it is not unique to the tech industry or even to women. There are a lot of cases of men, women, various racial minorities and cultures either intentionally or subconsciously steering their children away from specific fields because of a perception that it isn't 'the right field for them.' There's also a lot of more complicated factors but that is the simplest and least likely to offend when spoken about. People get touchy about these subjects, though for understandable reasons.
Have you read the studies on pay rates for women and men over extended periods with maternity and paternity leave factored in? It's actually pretty enlightening as to why things are the way they are on that front. I'm not entirely sure what would be the solution to that, as there doesn't seem to be any simple one. Again, it's an issue that cuts both ways.
I still think merit is a load of crap
That line confuses me, I don't understand what you mean. You don't think skills are a real thing? :?
but if someone is underqualified they're underqualified. It's a huge growing pain.
It's more than a growing pain. It literally destroys some companies and as a result people's livelihoods.
Yeah and we have a base issue where the talent pool simply isn't there because all the women got chased out of tech in the 70s. So we had a generation who are now prime age for the work force grow up being told computers are for boys. My experience is public sector so the silicon valley problem is only one I'm peripherally aware of. A sudden run on a need for women in boards to keep up appearances is gonna bring trouble and I appreciate the practical problems there.
The lack of women in the tech industry is definitely something of a cultural child rearing issue, though it is not unique to the tech industry or even to women. There are a lot of cases of men, women, various racial minorities and cultures either intentionally or subconsciously steering their children away from specific fields because of a perception that it isn't 'the right field for them.' There's also a lot of more complicated factors but that is the simplest and least likely to offend when spoken about. People get touchy about these subjects, though for understandable reasons.
@Babylon Yeah, that's another enormous problem -if you wanna be a super successful woman you're basically not allowed to have a family. The solution is really great paternity leave and more dads staying at home to raise kids but that's a long-term cultural change (short term policy one though).
Have you read the studies on pay rates for women and men over extended periods with maternity and paternity leave factored in? It's actually pretty enlightening as to why things are the way they are on that front. I'm not entirely sure what would be the solution to that, as there doesn't seem to be any simple one. Again, it's an issue that cuts both ways.
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@Dewms How else would I call you out, you imposter. ☹️
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@Dewms 😂😂 Nah not where I am. Maybe in a bad winter in the other parts of the country though. Luckily I'm not there
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Helping out someone who didn't know why her son was crying without a reason, lol.
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