I'd love it if someone shot elon musk in the nuts about 4 or 40 times...

@Thinkerbell There's nothing special about this ruling, except that it happens to affect dear leader. So if there's a fallacy here it's exceptionalism.

Nowhere as much as when they saw the partisan SCOTUS rule that presidents can be selectively exempted from the law. The point you continue to dodge, about partisanship..

Also if it isn't clear I've got nothing against that specific ruling, it's not me the one who's been crying about "states right" for the past 4 yrs lol. I'm calling out the "these judges shouldn't have even dared to offend dear leader by making the ruling necessary!!" nonsense that is seriously reminiscent of the Berlusconian age.

Which wasn't established at that point (before the ruling) therefore they did their job by bringing up the case, and the scotus ruled on it 🤷🏻‍♂ I don't really see what you have to complain about it, seems like the normal process of law to me. It feels like if I was speaking to a north Korean, upset because something happened that hurt Kim's ego lol

American exceptionalism and denialism at its finest 😂

But no, not really. Over here neither our presidents nor PMs can be arbitrarily exempted from the law. Over here what you call "lobbying" is called corruption/mafia. Over here, there's no such thing as the president picking the judges he wants in order to dodge justice in case. And on and on. You hear of so many high profile arrests here and you convince yourselves that it's because we're more corrupt than you when, in reality, it's because we actively prosecute high profile people whereas over there they'll get away with doing the same sort of shìt, in the daylight, either completely legally or confident they'll go unpunished.

The key difference from my system and your system is that here we don't have one single unified ruling class (but multiple competing powers), and consequently the scandals are very visible and actively prosecuted, because parts of the ruling class will use those to bury other parts of the ruling class (see e.g. mani pulite, and who eventually benefited from it).

Over there, on the opposite, your ruling class is united in screwing up the remaining 99.9% of the citizens, doesn't march against itself but actively suppressed the scandals, and you still have exactly the same (if not more) of our problems with the only difference that they're swept under the rug by the media that they also control.

You're now at the point where the façade isn't holding up any longer and a significant and growing part of the public (in both camps) is no longer buying it. The sympathy that Luigi guy is getting from all across the board is the single most evident indicator I saw recently.

You realize this is by design, right? To avoid exactly the situation you have over there, i.e.

1) that over 50% of the population is completely disenfranchised and over 30% won't vote altogether, because the choices they have are both corrupt and controlled by the billionaire ruling class,

2) most importantly (for details refer to my reply to Sara), not to give anyone the means to establish a dictatorship

Govt stability is by design traded for proportionality/representation and for safeguarding against authoritarianism.

And considering the turbulence that characterize the Italian political landscape (and that's now a factor also in yours) rest assured it's not a bug but a feature. Trump's the first openly wannabe authoritarian you meet and he cracked the country in half, over here his rise in popularity would be the average Monday and by Sunday someone else would've taken his place in the polls lol

@Elessar


Nonsense. The Colorado judges fully expected a 6-3 decision against them, but were shocked that the liberal justices of the SCOTUS also ruled against them. THAT decision took all the wind out of the Colorado judges' sails, as they (or their surrogates) were undoubtedly planning to say, "See how corrupt this Trump court is, not letting us remove Trump from the ballot?"

"The key difference from my system and your system is that here we don't have one single unified ruling class (but multiple competing powers)..."

Yes, what you have is like multiple Mafia
crime families competing with each other. 🤭

@Thinkerbell As opposed to a single nepobaby from South Africa buying his way into the presidency, and now cutting life support to the party his bought operating in his very own "absolute freedom of speech" echo chamber? 🤭

And besides, no, you didn't get the plurality in the ruling class. The mafia is all the opposite to the ruling class (or at most if you want, a shadow organization that has tentacles on some slices of the pie), as I stated mafia operations are illegal over here, and actively fought back.

@basilfawlty89 would you say you hate them, because of what the mainstream media tell you about them, or would you say say that you came to the conclusion, through your own research

@ididntknow my own research. I have no time for technofascism, Christofascism or authoritarianism.

@ididntknow I dislike them on their proven behaviour. It's revolting. Stomach churning.