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People cling to evolution not because of its "science" but because of the philosophy behind it. Evolution philosophy.

Evolution philosophy has a few points to it, as discussed in the video. The evolution philosophy and its scholars say that things are getting better and progressing and the 6 points discussed are in the fields of technology, media, education, money, medicine and religion and they say how all of these fields are getting better, when the opposite is clearly true. The world is not getting better. Things are getting worse. We live in a world where doctors and medicine destroy health, the education system destroys knowledge, technology destroys self-sufficiency, connection and the ability to survive in nature, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, modern religion destroys morals, our banks destroy the economy and lawyers destroy justice. But things are getting better, right? No. Evil and social chaos will intensify, and things wont get better until Jesus Christ - God manifest in the flesh - comes back to fix this mess of a world up and clean it up, and it only happens after a vast majority of the world are wiped out, in terms of people and population and nature as well. Don't fall for the lie of evolution philosophy and progress. It is far detached from reality,

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:13, "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

In 2 Timothy 3, "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

And Jesus Christ says this about the tribulation period that we are getting closer to in Matthew 24:21, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Things will only get worse and worse and worse right up until this period, and while it will be hard, it is also an extremely exciting and alive time and a faith increasing time, because we know that our Lord Jesus Christs second coming is getting closer. Our hope is not in man like the evolutionary philosophers and worlds hope is in, but our hope is a much greater, more real and everlasting hope in Jesus Christ. That is where true peace is. It is the time to be strong in trust in the providence of Jesus Christ and to have your mind filled with the Word of God in order to wade through the hell that is going to break lose on us. Don't put your hope in man. It will lead nowhere and you will join the depression and mental illness bandwagon of this generation. That is where this vain evolution philosophy leads. It is a fantasy and a dead end street.

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8.



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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
I love your ‘cling to evolution’ phraseology! 😂

It makes it sound like evolution isn’t a consistent, coherent, and complete, explanation of the evidence.

In reality... it is
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@redredred That's a funny way of putting it, since you encourage them to occupy your body.
redredred · M
@LordShadowfire Well, without some biome I couldn’t process food.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@redredred You know what I mean.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
[quote]The world is not getting better[/quote]

It’s not so long since you would now be nearing the end of your expected lifespan.

Humans now live longer than at any time in the history of our species.

Food has never been so abundant at any time in the history of our species.

Wars are less frequent than at any time in the history of our species

Our ability to understand and predicate natural phenomena is greater than at any time in the history of our species

None of that... none!... is because of religion
AbbySvenz · F
Well it’s all moot until you can provide proof that said chips are widespread beyond mere proof of concept. And if they are numbered, what about #665, or 667? Are those Neighbor-to-the-beast? @SDavis
SDavis · 56-60, F
@AbbySvenz
you know I wrote down 666 and 661 because some of the Bibles printed before 1960s use the number 661 and those after uses 666 - that comment neighbor to the Beast lacks in sarcasm if you're directing it at me..

Common Sense would tell anyone before anything becomes widespread it has a beginning and the usage of the computer chip embedded in humans for identification purposes has only just begun the past 10 years or so.

You said if they numbered - what world do you live in? Even you have a number and it's called social security - which became mandatory in the 20th century for all humans in the US of A.......
Everything you buy or is used has a number _ it's called barcodes. You seem to be trying to be sarcastic and failing in what is reality.

Good by
AbbySvenz · F
Vague apocalyptic “prophecy” is vague, and requires convoluted explanations to fit modern interpretation into bronze/Iron Age thinking.@SDavis
lol sorry but this is just a silly, self-fellating exercise in pretension.

Do you know why i accept that evolution is true? Well it's not because i think everything must always get bigger and better or any philosophy you care to name....[b][i]it's because that's what the evidence shows! [/i][/b]GASP
Over and over and over.
From field after distinct field we get a synthesis of data which all converges on the same conclusion.
Life on this planet shares common ancestry and has evolved into its present form.

I have 100% certainty that i could out debate you on that conclusion with half my brain tied behind my back.
The evidence is just THAT compelling to anyone without a mind closed and prejudiced by dogmatic adherence to a specific interpretation of a religion.

So a little less of the sophistry if you please😉

Tl;dr lol come on bud. We believe it because all evidence points to it being true, not because we need to believe it for some reason.
Science is methodology not a philosophy. It is totally neutral and unbiased.

Models are made based on evidence, then these models undergo designed tests. What is looked for is consistency. Also falsification. Evolution has pass with flying colors. Also since no alternative models have produced and tested, it’s rational to go with the model that works.
ElRengo · 70-79, M
"...did not create the modern science.... engineers did."
" Because many of the ancients not only knew far more about nature than us moderns do"

Let´s all recognize that the guy is consistent.
He knows nothing about science but neither about history.
SW-User
@ElRengo The context of the comment was about technology specifically. Knowing more about technology is far different than knowing about nature. Us moderns sure know a lot about technology, but not a lot about nature, as we would die pretty quickly out there. No inconsistency at all. Desperation on your part.
ElRengo · 70-79, M
@SW-User
You have a talent on being systematicaly wrong.

"Knowing more about technology is far different than knowing about nature"
This is true.
While old time tech like primitive survival skills where empirical they had no deep (causal) knowledge of nature.

" Us moderns sure know a lot about technology, but not a lot about nature"
Advancement of tech was and is based in Science that is precisely knowledge of nature.

"...as we would die pretty quickly out there"
For reasons long to tell, not me.

"No inconsistency at all."
What I´ve said was that you seem to be quite consistent....

" Desperation on your part."
You may also have a future in humor of the nonsense kind.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
Back for more are we, lol, you're clearly delusional and all the ranting and raving in the world isn't going to get you taken up in the non-existent "Rapture" buddy, so sorry 🤪
SW-User
@spjennifer You are going to stand before Jesus Christ some day. Attack me all you want to. I enjoy it. But you're going to stand before Jesus Christ, and the Holy Bible is the book you will be judged by. Take me out of the picture, it doesn't matter. You still have the book to deal with.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@SW-User I'm not "attacking you", I just don't believe as you do, "Creationism" is a fallacy. I'm not too worried, been there, done that, twice even and there's no white light at the end of the tunnel, nor St. Peter waiting at the pearly gates, when you die, you die, that's it...
ArishMell · 70-79, M
"Mr. Unconquered" * -

Why do you so despise the ideas of evolution that you go to great lengths to write great long sermons bitterly attacking it and anyone who accepts it?

No-one says you can't choose to believe in or deny a god making it all happen; and there are plenty of religious geologists, palaeontologists and astronomers. Science simply investigates how and when it happened; not why or by whom.

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* The direct translation of that Latin nickname. Wasn't vanity supposedly a "sin", according to the ancient Hebrews?
SW-User
So the grand solution is to stop reasoning and just believe? No thanks!
DocSavage · M
No, they cling to it because it works.
What part of that don’t you get ? I understand that you believe in god and the bible. But does it really make any sense to you that so many scientists, in so many different fields, would conspire against god and manufacture evidence that wasn’t true, and that could easily be exposed. Just to discredit your beliefs ? What could they hope to gain by doing that ? What is the reason behind it all ?
DocSavage · M
@Baremine
So which one is the real one, and what’s he done that the others haven’t already taken credit for ?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
DocSavage · M
@newjaninev2
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SemmelweisReflex · 51-55, M
@DocSavage I don't care about evolution. I never have and I never will. Nothing you say means anything to me.[/quote]

Why do they think continued, willful ignorance impresses us ?
Well I cling to evolution because of science
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Baremine Well apparently the "Prehistoric Era", according to most Scientists, lasted 2.5 million years ago to 1,200 B.C so this doesn't quite fit in with Creationist Theory that puts Creation at about 6000 years ago. So which is it? You can't have it both ways...
Baremine · 70-79, C
@spjennifer how about pre Adamic era.the Bible is only about pre Christ and after what he did at Calvary. If it isn't in the Bible you don't have a need to know.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Baremine

[quote] If it isn't in the Bible you don't have a need to know.[/quote]

Holy 💩 that has to be one of the most racist, arrogant and ignorant statements I've read in decades. There are Civilizations a lot older than your Creationist BS, like the Mesopotamians, Chinese, Indian and Olmec that are all generally accepted to be far older than the ones in the Middle East. Get your nose out of your buybull once in a while and read some of the history of Civilizations of the World ffs.
redredred · M
Endogenous retro viruses demonstrate that humans and chimps had a common ancestor. If evolution weren’t true modern genetics wouldn’t work.
DocSavage · M
[b][u][b]SCIENCE DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU BELIEVE[/b][/u][/b]

I often wonder why people here have such a problem with understanding that evolution and other sciences are not religious
Philosophy. I understand that being created by a god, makes some people feel more important, and secure. But the principles of science are not about that. They’re not out to destroy your belief. And should not be judged in comparison to those beliefs.
ElRengo · 70-79, M
...cancer is a form of fungal attack on the body.

Please tell us a bit more about penguin´s navels and maybe about
Evolution has no goal other than adaptation to the environment.
redredred · M
@SW-User “ Abundant food, but most of it is GMO, filled with toxins and other chemical shite, fast food, processed foods”

Can you list these toxins? Just the first 20 or so should do.
redredred · M
@SW-User I don’t want anymore of your paranoid fantasies, thank you. I asked for a list of these reputed toxins. The first twenty should do.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@SW-User [quote]cancer is a form of fungal attack[/quote]

Nonsense

Absolute rubbish

In the United States, the overall cancer death rate has declined since the early 1990s.
[i](National Cancer Institute)[/i]

Note that cancer rates rise only in the elderly population. We’re living longer (thanks to science), so cancers which normally would not be able to develop within a person’s lifetime now have many extra years to develop.
redredred · M
@SW-User List of toxins please, third request.
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DocSavage · M
@newjaninev2
Indeed,
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@DocSavage

[quote]Would you rather children simply go to a class that says “god did it”[/quote]

Yes!, that's exactly what goofs like this guy want, they want everyone worshiping their sky fairy so they can be controlled!
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[quote]and its scholars say that things are getting better and progressing [/quote]
[big]FALSE!!! [/big]
In fact that's a pre-Darwin interpretation of nature based on notions of the "great chain of being" that go all the way back to Aristotle and Plato. [b]https://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Chain-of-Being[/b]

[quote]A common misconception is that evolution implies a progressive and linear climb from ancient “simple” organisms at the bottom to more recent “complex” ones further up, with humans usually at the apex. This is an old view—much older than evolution itself. It follows from a venerable and pervasive tradition in Western thought that places all living entities in the universe on a “great chain of being” stretching from lowest to highest, worst to best. When evolutionary ideas began to influence scholarly views of nature in the late eighteenth to early nineteenth centuries, the new ideas blended perfectly with that older paradigm: this chain of being, this scala naturae, was temporal! Life gradually unfolds upward to perfection (Lovejoy 1936; Mayr 1982)! In the words of one proponent, “In the prodigiously varied sequence of the animals below man, I see Nature in labor advancing fumblingly towards that excellent being who crowns her work.” (Jean-Baptiste Robinet 1768, cited in Lovejoy 1936). It was an elegant view, preserving the intelligibility and hierarchy inherent in the universe and adding to it a concept of developmental progress that could explain the variability and change we see in nature.
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[b]https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-011-0381-y[/b]
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
its about control. macro evolution is a political dogma that they can slap a label on and claim ownership of/rights to
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ElRengo · 70-79, M
@SW-User
Failing...to?
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
What about devolution? My brains don't work no more. :(
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
the 2 theories are pretty similar. either we all spontaneously sprung from a piece of dirt or God fashioned us from a piece of dirt
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@lumberjackslam [quote]spontaneously sprung from a piece of dirt[/quote]

Umm, which scientific line of thought says that?
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2

[quote]"G‑d then formed man out of dust of the ground, and He blew into his nostrils a soul of life, and man became a living being." (Gen. 2:7).[/quote]

[quote]While the research is a far cry from proving that humans sprang from clay,[/quote] 😮🤐 (YEAH SURE )[quote]as some creation myths assert, it does provide a possible mechanism for explaining how life initially arose from nonliving molecules. Researchers at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and Massachusetts General Hospital showed that the presence of clay aids naturally occurring reactions that result in the formation of fatty sacks called vesicles, similar to what scientists expect the first living cells to have looked like. Further, the clay helps RNA form. The RNA can stick to the clay and move with it into the vesicles. This provides a method for RNA’s critical genetic information to move inside a primitive cell. Harvard Medical School Professor of Genetics Jack Szostak said he and colleagues Martin Hanczyc and Shelly Fujikawa aren’t suggesting they’ve hit on the exact method by which life initially arose. Still, he said, there are exciting parallels. “It’s exciting because we know that a particular clay mineral helps with the assembly of RNA,” Szostak said. “There certainly would have been lots of environments on early Earth with clay minerals. It’s something that forms relatively easily as rocks weather.”[/quote]
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I don't often agree with @redredred. This is one of those times. Please provide a list of these toxins you claim are in my food.
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@SW-User

[quote] Dr. Sebi's raw Alkaline diet has healed (proven in court) many people from cancer, lupus, asthma , HIV,[/quote]

Source?
I mean, a court of law isn't where science is or isn't determined to be accurate but that's still a tall claim that i'd be interested to investigate.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@SW-User [quote]Dr. Sebi's raw Alkaline diet has healed (proven in court)[/quote]

The only thing proven in court is that he was guilty of fraud

Note: Alfredo Bowman was not a licensed medical practitioner
@SW-User

Hey man, any chance you can give me that source? I'm sure you can understand my skepticism of the claim that a court proved Sebi could cure cancer with his diet plan.

If you can't properly source that claim, perhaps the intellectually honest thing to do would be to refrain from making that claim again until such time as you [i]can[/i] verify it.

But i'm open to being shown some evidence here. Don't leave me hanging!

 
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