People cling to evolution not because of its "science" but because of the philosophy behind it. Evolution philosophy.

@newjaninev2 Abundant food, but most of it is GMO, filled with toxins and other chemical shite, fast food, processed foods. People before the technological and industrial society were far healthier. Tribes who don't eat the garbage we consume are far healthier and don't get as many diseases as we get, among many of those are heart disease, and they don't really don't get cavities. Cavities were very rare before the technological industrial society, so yeah, that doesn't mean it's better. It's worse. Thank you for adding to my list to prove that the world is not getting better. Specifically, as an example, (and I could give many) one group that is said to have the world's healthiest hearts is the Tsimane people.

About 90 percent of the Tsimane people’s food comes from hunting, fishing, foraging, and farming. Until two years ago, none of their communities had electricity. None have running water. They live in the Bolivian Amazon with relatively low contact with the rest of Bolivia. Most still speak their traditional language. It takes days to get from villages to towns. They eat about the same amount of meat that Americans do, but it’s much leaner, coming from wild animals. Shows you that the processed meats we eat are really bad for you. Something else to note: they have not taken our pharmaceutical position also, which as I noted in my post, is destroying people's health more than it is healing them.

Dr. Sebi's raw Alkaline diet has healed (proven in court) many people from cancer, lupus, asthma , HIV, and many other conditions that the medical field says are not curable. The thing I disagree with Dr Sebi about is his veganism. I do think we need meats and food from animals as well, not JUST raw vegetables and fruit. This is where I would go to the nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz, whose diet consisted of raw meat, raw eggs, raw dairy, raw fats, and unheated honey. Natural is the way. Alkaline is the way. Raw is the way. Most Americans are on an acidic diet. That is the cause of most diseases. The medical field knows this and if most of the population did, the medical industry would lose billions. It's all about the love of money. This further proves my point that medicine and our health are not getting better but worse. It is devolving. And the media and education system are also getting worse, among many reasons, for perpetuating this lie that we are getting better health wise and medicine wise. I was struggling with allergies a couple of months ago and the medicine prescribed by the doctor didn't do anything for me, but once I ate raw, local, unfiltered, unheated and all natural honey, my allergies went away.

As for lifespan, you are simply wrong here. Humans do not live longer. I know you don't accept this, but the ancient Biblical lifespan was 900 something years and our genetics have been declining since. Now we are at 70-100 years. It isn't only the Bible that mentions this long lifespan, though, as most cultures all around the world talk about a golden age where people lived much longer. Some cultures have the lifespan at over a thousand years. Almost all cultures discuss this golden age because it is in the collective memory of mankind, because it is true.

Physical wars might be less frequent (although more are coming) because the elites found many other ways to wage wars on us and kill off populations. Far easier and more subtle ways. You are failing to factor this in.

What natural phenomena are you referring to specifically? Because many of the ancients not only knew far more about nature than us moderns do, but they also were able to predict certain natural events that were coming because of how in tune they were with nature and its cycles. We are more in connection with wifi, so most people couldn't tell you what the ancients could about nature off hand.

Agriculture [i]is all[/i] GMO

@SW-User

@SW-User [quote]most of it is GMO[/quote]

Everything you’ve ever eaten in your life is a GMO

Anything ever eaten by any species on the entire planet is a GMO

@newjaninev2 A good point - though many people don't seem to twig that whether they patronise the "fast-food" or the "health-food" shops!

@newjaninev2 Wow, impressive. You comment on 5 words and completely evade the other 6 paragraphs.

@SW-User The invalidity of those five words makes it unnecessary to pick through the rest.

Still, happy to do that if you would like.

Let’s start with...

[quote]People before the technological and industrial society were far healthier[/quote]

They had short life spans, constant pain from disease and injury were a normal part of everyday life. The slightest infection could kill you. A bone fracture was fatal. Personal hygiene was pathetic (hence the French perfume industry). Malnutrition was rampant... rickets, scurvy, vitamins and enzymes were routinely missing. Food was bland and ill-prepared... wars were fought over spices for just that reason. Rotten teeth were the norm, and the subsequent pain and infections were accepted as normal.

You then wander off to a nutritional version of the Myth of the Noble Savage... I don’t know why.

@newjaninev2 Curious isn't it, that he pines for his "Golden Age" of centuries of ignorance and superstition, centuries of no science and engineering - hence deprivation and very low-quality homes with no water, drainage, gas and electricity supplies but lots of fleas, lice and rats even for the rich, non-existent public health, scrappy quack medicine (by ignorance), poor personal health, frequent epidemics, limited entertainments, limited and very hazardous transport, rampant brutishness, ....

..... then uses products of the Science and Engineering he despises, to do so!

@newjaninev2 people live longer, yeah that's what they say but this country is known for its lies. In all honesty if people do live longer more crowding and more crime.

More food - **for the United States, maybe Canada but what about the rest of the world?**....... GMO foods and unless one was of a good age are an adult before the 1970s one does not know what real food taste like not even the organic food of today matches. And GMO foods is it actually helping us be healthy or making us sicker?
https://youtu.be/VkAsxvlh0Xs?feature=shared

War is less frequent - well there are a lot of civil wars going on all over the world and what's going on in Ukraine. The weapons of wars have changed a country can wipe you out with a couple of bombs.

Technology - taking jobs from - people using their brains less for actual calculating, people becoming lazier, polluting the waters, the air, and the land - what happens when they don't have anywhere to put their pollutants? .......... Cutting down far too many trees and trees are important for oxygen......... Global warming, that which is unnaturally caused by man, increasing severity in the weather because of the changes happening in the climate from the results of man's activities.

Being aware of natural phenomenon isn't stopping it ... But because of the increase in population more destruction and death is a result. And because of the actions of man upon the Earth with his technology increasing in the severity of those type of events.

No the Bible didn't do it but the Bible predicted it with warning .... The Bible didn't say how it was going to happen / what was going to cause it _ just that it would happen.

Vague warnings about disasters, wars and rumors of wars. Name a period of written human history that [i]wasn’t[/i] plagued by a war or disaster @SDavis

@newjaninev2 I find it fascinating that the very medium that these people to try to de-bunk science can only be possible because of science. If it was left to them, we would be sending smoke-signals to each other as posts.

@AbbySvenz

first off ---- I'm not trying to debunk science. I feel science come from God, he is responsible for man having that knowledge - man's scientific interpretations just leave him out from most scientist (not all).


The reason why you used wars and disasters is because you know that wars in disasters always existed to certain levels - as well as a few other prophecies - it's about them increasing and frequency and deadliness.

Then there is

Daniel 12:4 in the last days knowledge show increase and people shall be running to and fro....... Knowledge increase less than 200 years ago man from went from riding a horse to landing on the moon etc etc etc and people were generally at home at night now they're moving around like little ants day and night.

Revelation 13:16-17 The mark of the beast can be initiated in the forehead or on the right hand with the microchip. The Swiss love it -United States has practice with it as well as other countries - impossible 50 years ago

Matthew 24:14 The gospel must be preached to All Nations as a witness - no one can say as an absolute all these so-called 100, give or take a couple of uncontacted tribes haven't been contacted at some point and they just refuse the outside world. Actually article say they have been contacted at some point in some manner.

Luke 17:28 As it was in the days of Lot - anyone can marry whoever they want to same sex or not in more than seven countries worldwide - something unheard of 10 years ago

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Daniel 4:12 is about a big tree 🤨[quote]The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.[/quote] King James Version

The King James translation of Revelation 13 concludes:
[quote]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six[/quote]
Is there another version out there that mentions the microchips?

Why does God need people to be preached to, if knowledge of Him is supposedly engraved on our hearts?

@AbbySvenz that is a voice typing error it should be Daniel's 12:4 and I did say 12/4.

what is wrong with people is there another version out there that mentions microchips. It isn't said how the mark was going to be implicated only that it would be implicated in the -- future future

Engraved on the hearts of those who accept his Holy Spirit ---- not engraved on yours is it?

[quote] what is wrong with people is there another version out there that mentions microchips. It isn't said how the mark was going to be implicated only that it would be implicated in the -- future future[/quote]@SDavis

No, it isn’t specified. Therefore, not a valid prediction.

Vague claim is vague.

[quote] Engraved on the hearts of those who accept his Holy Spirit[/quote]
Neither Jeremiah 31:33 nor Hebrews 8:10 qualify it in this way.

@AbbySvenz that's what the late Pastor Murray said of the Shepherd's Chapel and I totally disagree. The microchip wasn't used when he was alive. And the microchip carries all information - all one needs to do is scan their hand, depending on what they're using it for. Now either their medical or financial history will pop up in the future all a person's information will be on the chip that's what all the governments are pulling for they want to get rid of Cash money and has been trying for a couple of decades now.
https://youtu.be/Ksw-arKvMPk?feature=shared
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/021816/why-governments-want-eliminate-cash.asp#toc-why-eliminate-cash

The verses you gave have nothing to do with the mark of the beast and those who accept it.
Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, **to receive a mark, in their right hand, or in their foreheads.** verse 17 _ that no man will buy, sell, or trade save he that have the mark, or the name of the Beast or the number of his name.

My claim is in vague - your understanding of Revelation chapter 13 is vague ( no rudeness intended)

You left off the part where they give you the number @SDavis

@AbbySvenz
no I didn't leave off the parts about the number " the number of his name"...... Microchips are numbered.

The Bible doesn't say that the numbers 666 or 661 are consecutive and some wonder about the numbers on Bill Gates chips which is said to the 060606.

Well it’s all moot until you can provide proof that said chips are widespread beyond mere proof of concept. And if they are numbered, what about #665, or 667? Are those Neighbor-to-the-beast? @SDavis

@AbbySvenz
you know I wrote down 666 and 661 because some of the Bibles printed before 1960s use the number 661 and those after uses 666 - that comment neighbor to the Beast lacks in sarcasm if you're directing it at me..

Common Sense would tell anyone before anything becomes widespread it has a beginning and the usage of the computer chip embedded in humans for identification purposes has only just begun the past 10 years or so.

You said if they numbered - what world do you live in? Even you have a number and it's called social security - which became mandatory in the 20th century for all humans in the US of A.......
Everything you buy or is used has a number _ it's called barcodes. You seem to be trying to be sarcastic and failing in what is reality.

Good by

Vague apocalyptic “prophecy” is vague, and requires convoluted explanations to fit modern interpretation into bronze/Iron Age thinking.@SDavis