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My Daughters quest for learning shot down

I'm not one to vent online, I don't really see the point most of the time. But I just found out something that really sent me off the deep end. My oldest daughter is 16 and a junior in high school. She had signed up for auto shop this year, not because she wanted to follow me into the car business but because she wanted to be able to wrench on her own vehicle. It was her idea, not mine and I'm incredibly proud of her for thinking ahead. It was something that we had talked about last summer and as far as I knew everything was hunky dory. I stress self-reliance to my kids and expect them to learn how to deal with problems on their own. Now to put all this in perspective it's important to know that my daughter is very quiet and shy, but very independent and doesn't mind getting her hands dirty. But that being said, if something in her life goes sideways it's usually quite a while before she bothers to tell anyone.
So, with that said I just found out a few days ago that the school wouldn't allow her to take auto shop because "it's not for girls". Instead, they pushed her into a childcare class vocational class that she hates. It would have been great if she had said something sooner! So, we complained to the school enough that they "might be able to fit her in next year". In the meantime, I reminded her that we own a fully equipped shop and she's welcome in there any time she wants.

Has anyone else been through this kind of thing?
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LaLumieri · 51-55, F
Yes it happened to me. In high school I was put in a economics class instead. My father was a self-taught mechanic and I wanted to be able to make him proud and learn some things on my own. I was truly disappointed when I was told just like your daughter that it was not for girls especially at that time It was the very late '80s I'm even more upset for your daughter because we are now in 20s and I would think in this day and age all across the board everyone should be given a chance. Kudos to her for the initiative and for trying and to you for being supportive
jehova · 36-40, M
Me no but one of my offspring yes a son had been interested primarily in baking and sewing. More specifically clothing repair upholstery and bread making, but hadn’t communicated their interest in these skills for utility and survivability. I’m in New York so no big deal but initially one of his fav and trusted teachers stressed the femininity associated with those things and encouraged him to do welding and tech instead. It ended up being fine.
Ohplease47 · F
@jehova welding teacher sought in northeastern oklahoma, boycotting the votech racket so private lessons for me. Let me know if u want the job
jehova · 36-40, M
@Ohplease47 I’ll let you know if he does I’m not looking at this time. I do believe votech is a n enormous opportunity for America to regain its independence. And self sufficiency we need tradespersons so desperately, right now
Yes. I wasn’t allowed to take woodshop classes, even though my father had taught me how to put together cabinets and it was something I enjoyed doing. They told me ”it was a class for boys” and "not something” I ”needed to learn".

The difference, however was that this was in 1973, over 50 years ago ! It was sexism then, and it’s still sexism, which is amazing. Like your daughter, I was lucky enough to have a father who was encouraging and had the items needed at home.
Ynotisay · M
If you were inclined, and it's a public high school, you could bring them to their knees. What they did is illegal. It's discrimination. And it's messed up.
That said, I liked hearing that your daughter keeps hurdles she's facing to herself. That's a good quality and will serve her well in life.
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
That’s insane! Even in the backwoods town in Arkansas, I grew up in, there were a bunch of girls in the auto shop class I took.

What you have right there is a very easy open and shut case of discrimination.
Ohplease47 · F
@Zaphod42 are federal lawsuits with no lawyer...so possible?
sgoodroe · 51-55, M
@Zaphod42 I'm not too worried about it, I was just more then a little ticked off
Massageman · 70-79, M
Once when looking for a position, I was told that if I were a black female, they could place me "in a second". Skills and suitability for a post/position/job are often dwarfed by BS "requirements". In 7th and 8th grade, we had Home Mechanics. 1 semester each of sewing (machine), cooking, woodwork, and electronics. My parents had already taught me cooking, typing, machine sewing. My grandfather had already taught me work working and electronics. Most boring class ever. I hope your daughter becomes a skilled, integral part of your business- if she wants.
sgoodroe · 51-55, M
@Massageman When I was in 7th and 8th grade, every shop class was required for both boys and girls. The boys had to take cooking and sewing classes, and the girls had to take small engine repair and welding. Everyone was took every class and everyone was happy about it later.
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4meAndyou · F
Yes, a LONG time ago. Girls elective courses were always Home Economics...sewing and cooking. Boys got to take woodworking and auto shop.
FreeorLonely · 51-55, F
Wow! I thought all schools were out of the 1950’s! That’s absolutely absurd.
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
Disgraceful. I suppose this is where the 'stop DEI' nonsense ends up. In the UK it would be illegal. In 'the land of the free' apparently not.
Sharon · F
@FreddieUK In the UK it's unlawful, not illegal - much as I'd like it made a criminal offence.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Sharon Thanks for the correction. 🙂
Sharon · F
The school's attitude is beyond reprehensible. Are there sex discrimination laws in your country? That school deserves to be sued out of existence and those who put that policy in place and enforced it, nailed up.
Sharon · F
@NerdyPotato Sorry to hear that. In the UK, with a few exceptions, the courts tend to apply the law correctly.
@Sharon in the Netherlands too, so far.
sgoodroe · 51-55, M
@Sharon I don't believe it's school policy, more likely a guidance counselor that is long past retirement age. Either way I'm not that worried about it, just annoyed. I can give my daughter a better rea world education then she'll ever get from school
PinkMoon · 26-30, F
What country are you from?
sgoodroe · 51-55, M
@PinkMoon US, Vermont
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DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
It's time to lawyer up and call the local tv station.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
How horrible and disgraceful

How can this happen in this day and age?
Sharon · F
@Strictmichael75 Schools often consider themselves above the law.
Northwest · M
This is in the USA? If so, which state?
Ohplease47 · F
@Northwest in oklahoma a woman cant train to be a cna phlebotomist or nurse if she is missing any childhood immunization records..but this wasnt a law before covid..how fair is that? No old person will have those records available anymore so its illegal as well as wrong as a policy...Care work here is always a shuck on the low end workers, the boss wants your soul as well as your body and time, and knows we dont know anything...rips the heart right out of the work...so anyone who survives this career is a hero for being such a martyr. Feels like abusive religiosity actually. And no one there medically when myself I need it...kept my regular Medicare so I get shown the door when I show up...
Northwest · M
@Ohplease47 OK, I have no idea what, if any, this has to do with the post.

It is possible to become a CNA or phlebotomist in Oklahoma without childhood immunization records, as Oklahoma law allows for medical, religious, or personal exemptions. However, employers and training clinical sites often require proof of immunity to diseases like MMR, Varicella, and Tdap for safety reasons.

The regulation is not related to Covid.
just curious, are you in a red state and/or red county?
@sgoodroe ok, what state is it then?
sgoodroe · 51-55, M
@ThirstenHowl Vermont
@sgoodroe the school is literally violating federal law (Title IX), you should let them know this and file a complaint at every level (though I'm not sure how much it matters to file it at the federal level right now, under the Trump administration, which is trying to abolish the US Dept of Education ... see, you can't really "political crap" even if you want to, everything is literally political in some way)

Federal Level (Primary): The U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights (OCR) is responsible for enforcing Title IX. Complaints can be submitted through their online form.

School District Level: Contact your local high school's Title IX Coordinator directly to initiate a formal grievance process.

State Level: Report to the state Department of Education or state civil rights commission.

I'm curious if this is Franklin or Essex counties, which seem to be the most Republican-leaning counties in VT ... and this kind of backward reality denial is most typical of Republicans / conservatives, so I'm surprised to see it occurring in VT at all
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Hey, like the new Boy Scouts…
kittee · 26-30
thisis as we syin uk bollox, women do it allthe time

 
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