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I’m definitely against that—but why won’t some women leave these losers ?

Or why do they go back to them ?

That’s something I’ve never been able to understand, really. I was once under the impression that women who stayed in abusive relationships did so because they had no options and were basically trapped. I now understand that while occasionally that is so, when I volunteered at a women’s shelter for a couple of years I saw that it was much less cut & dried than that.

I saw educated women, women with family trying to save them, even women who were paying the bills going back to abusive losers. Most such shelters operate with some anonymity and privacy because many of the women and children there are in hiding, often even fearing for their lives. So some of the women who couldn’t let go endangered all of us.

They would sneak and call their abusive partners from the shelter ! One of the counselors was murdered by the estranged husband of one of the women—who had left him but then phoned him and told him where she was. When he arrived, she told him that the volunteers and counselors weren’t letting her leave (which was false). I eventually had to stop volunteering there, because frankly, I was afraid.

In addition to that, there was a situation when a friend’s brother lost his life trying to stop a man from beating up his pregnant girlfriend on a public street. There were several witnesses, but when the man went on trial, the girlfriend testified that her boyfriend had been protecting her from our friend—thankfully then those witnesses spoke up and refuted that lie.

I came away from those experiences feeling rather cynical, alas. And much less likely to intervene than when I was younger. I’ll still call 911, but I won’t go charging in there myself. And even my brother, a retired policeman, says they hate domestic calls above all because most have had the experience of being jumped on by the wife while taking away the husband who had given her that black eye or broken nose. 😞
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Yeah I could never work in that field for all the reasons you mentioned. The trauma bond and the cycle of violence is hard to break and often at the expense of the safety of others. We have a refuge at the service I work for, it’s a secret location and there are strict rules. If a woman tells her partner the location she’s immediately made to leave and never allowed back for the safety of everyone. A woman is most likely to die at the hands of her partner when she tries to leave and even more so if pregnant. It’s sad and of course they deserve help but I think it’s complex.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I recognise everything you say here. Without repeating what other said about the strangeness of why women go back to their abusers and even sometimes defend them, I have noted sometimes how women who have escaped a toxic relationship don't take long to find another man who treats them in exactly the same way. Like the world of addiction, with which I am more familiar, there is a mystery here about human behaviour and about the way some people appear to be self-destructive.
Livingwell · 61-69, M
Some men are very smart and manipulative to find a weakness and make a woman believe she is the person with issues and everything is her fault. They use fear too to keep them in line. My daughter is educated and quite strong yet she was once in that situation. I had to get her out of it. And I had to convince him that approaching her again would result in bad things. He got the message.
Firestarter · 31-35, F
I have a cousin that is in an abusive relationship and she used to get the family involved , we have let her stay with us and called the police on her hubby and even even got beat up by her brother and my father. But, you probably would guess she just goes back to him, so we decided we would not be helping her anymore and not to tell us when he hits her again because she must like it she keeps going back.
Punxi · F
From a psychological perspective some women staying in abusive relationships is trama bonding.

When cycles of fear, manipulation, and brief moments of affection create a powerful emotional attachment.

The brain starts linking relief with the abuser, making leaving feel terrifying, disloyal, or even blatantly wrong.

Over time her self worth erodes, and the relationship—no matter how harmful—can feel like the only place where they’re “known,” even if they’re not safe.

Deep set shame seems not even a factor.
Northwest · M
It's VERY complicated, but it usually starts as a "family of origin" issue.

It's not something I agree with, but I will fail if I try to prescribe a solution, because I have not walked a mile, or a decade in their shoes, or can appreciate their life journey, because I am not privy to it.

But damn, yes, some people are cruel abusers, and some of the abused cannot escape what seems to be their destiny of being abused and some will be killed because of it.
Nunki · 31-35, F
The answer lies in this simple yet multifaceted word: love 💎

And as much as I want to keep it a beautiful sublime thing in my mind, sometimes it’s far from that.
MethDozer · M
It's hard. I get it 100%. It's the psychology of abuse though. Sense of value becomes broken. That breaks the self esteem. The sense of self suffiency is destroyed. Rational thinking , out the window. A person is left without those thingsthay create their sense of self, and they're left trying to justify and correct the past time wasted on a hope of a better future with said person. The abuse seems normal and just part of what passion entails. Weakened, they feel desperate and unable, the abuser at least provides a twisted comfort of familiarity. Convinced they are the worthless and incapable garbage the abuser trwated them as. They can't possibly make it alone but who would want trash besides them. Ot goes farther but that's the short of the cycle, and a cycle is exactly what it is.

It's hard to wrap ones head around in the third person watching and seeing but it's how it tends to play out from tue psychological aspect of it. You work with or are friends with wnough women who are in these situations you become able to notice a domestic victim immediately. The nervous smiles, the twitchy squirrelness when someone moves too fast near them, the uncomfortableness being to physically close to someone at the lunch table, the uneasyness of taking work calls from fellow employees, the totsl aversion to any eye contact, the lack of facial expression.


It's not just women in abusive relationships either. You see the same patterns, behaviours, and appologies in children from abusive homes, certain prisoners, or anyone who has been beaten down past their will and abiliity to defend against it. Even some workers who have toxic and mentally abusive work environments exhibit the same behavior.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
I don't think there's any simple answer. It could be that the parents were abusive and they either seek the same thing in a lover, or they believe they are not worth better. Or, they need to "rescue" someone.
bookerdana · M
Maybe its something like Stockholm Syndrome???
I knew a woman on EP,she said her husband was going to kill her..he did,too...she had a kid and no place to go
@bookerdana I remember that, actually. Very sad. And if memory serves that was a situation where she was fairly young and isolated from family.
bookerdana · M
@bijouxbroussard Exactly...the daughter was left an orphan
Sweetpoison · 41-45, F
Trauma bond
Fishy · 36-40, F
I think a lot of it has to do with power of suggestion.

Like, no one is ever truly immune to it, not even girls who have had loving families etc

these losers know how to gaslight and isolate someone enough to make them believe that this is the only option they have for intimacy.

On top of that these losers also know how to pick people with a personality type that makes it easier for them to manipulate 😔
Alyosha · 36-40, M
Because they're getting something they don't get elsewhere. Whatever that is. Probably the experience of being abused.
violentred · 26-30, M
Some fear being alone and unwanted
@violentred That’s tragic. Being abused is hardly being [i]wanted[/i].
violentred · 26-30, M
its crazy. we see it in prison when they still go visit their dude who is locked up for 30 years. especially when some of the women are beautiful, intelligent and have money. they could most likely have any man they wanted. but, they are sticking with the dude who isnt getting out for 40 years. its nuts.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LavidaRaq It isnt funny and never was. I abhore violence against women or children. If things have gone that bad, turn around and walk away..😷
LavidaRaq · F
@whowasthatmaskedman you reacted to a reply with a laughter emoji. That’s why I asked.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LavidaRaq My typo.. Apologies..😷

 
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