I don’t know what will happen to us. Truth is no one knows. Because there were no long term studies done on the effects. Now obviously there’s a reason for that, in an effort to save lives there was a rush to get the vax out quickly. I don’t believe this was some dubious plan by some “new world order” shadow agency. I don’t give people, especially people in government, enough credit to be able to do something that big.
Overall government incompetence is an excellent point that you brought up. Organizing that bunch of corrupt incompetents is likely harder than herding wet cats. That concept alone debunks virtually all government related conspiracy theories. @Janasbigtits4u
@Janasbigtits4u Agreed, who knows where the World will be 10 years from now, I know we certainly didn't expect to be where we are now 10 years ago. Is it worth the risk? Of course it is as I'll trust the Science a lot more than I will the semi-mad ravings of some conspiracy loon and I just got my 3rd shot today. I'm quite certain there are nefarious elements within some of the World's Governments but like you I don't believe in some NWO conspiracy wanting to dominate the World when bordering Nations can't even come to basic trade agreements for much needed goods, how could they organize something on this scale? 😖
Well, approx 200k years ago, aliens came to this planet in search of a species that they could control and enslave. They bio-engineered hominids into what ultimately became us. However, their programming didn't take too well because an anarchic group amongst them decided to mess things up a bit. You know, just for a bit of fun.
Anyway, that's why Covid happened. So that "they" could make us take a vaccine that would complete the original programming.
Problem is, those same anarchic types decided to enlighten a few humans here and there. Those enlightened humans are the anti-vaxxers that you are referring to.
@newjaninev2 Obviously the obstacles are immense. But isn't that from a human perspective?
An advanced alien species could overcome the distances, the time and, the "needle in a haystack" conundrum. I agree that the odds of all of that happening are fairly slim but, I don't see the proposition as being ridiculous.
Existence The Greenwich formula, esp. when updated with newer data--that planets seem to be plentiful, natural side effects of star formation, for instance--means that the various ratios are actually better for all the terms which are measurable. Add to that the immense increase in the sheer number of stars, the number to which the ratios are applied, and there MUST be intelligent life elsewhere (even ignoring the technology/history ratios); heck, we've found evidence of life locally.
Co-existence As has been pointed out in the past, the first actual hurdle is
• are we alone *right now*?
I.e., do we likely coexist with another/other intelligent species, now, when we finally have all kinds of imaging, communication, processing technologies, and possibilities of greater transportation & exploration technologies not far off?
Temporal coincidence is crucial. Without that, the technology terms of the formula have no meaning.
Visitation Having said all that, the progress of a civilization's array of technologies, knowledge, etc., is crucially dependent, in part, on sporadic spurts spurred on by genius.
Newton stood on the shoulders of Aristotle, Copernicus, Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and still did things in several areas which are amazing.
Calculus may have been "in the air", with Leibniz independently inventing calculus, but Newton alone invented his mechanics, assumed a gravitational force law, derived the differential equation of motion of the two masses in a two-body system, and invented calculus to solve that equation (and in so doing, derived an answer which a student with 3 terms of calculus and 1 term of differential equations would find difficult).
Similarly, Special Relativity seems to have been ready to be born, but Einstein wrote two other amazing papers in his "miracle year" of 1905, in other areas of Physics, and went on to come up with General Relativity--a new theory of gravity which succeeds Newton's--about a decade later.
Semiconductors required quantum mechanics, the ability to make substances far more pure than merely "chemically pure", and careful fabrication...as well as a proof of concept given by Shockley, Brittain, & Bardeen in their work. [Bardeen is the only person to win two Nobel Prizes in Physics.] So some technologies/ideas rely upon the convergence of other, pre-existent items before *they* can be born.
Predicting technological progress is thus, I think, wrought with difficulties, at best. I would be wary of trying to create a model on our few examples, though we have clear counter-examples of any claim about progress "must" be at certain rates.
So visitation...that's hard. If we happen to have a nearish neighbor--both spatially and temporally--who also has had a more rational history, a greater attendance to knowledge, a flourishing of intellect...then we might well have visitation.
In my--admittedly very much "not in the field"--view, there is no way to make a convincing statistical argument in that part of the formula. Those ratios are likely to be SWAGs.
So the answer here is more a reflection of our personal hopes, etc., than a sober estimation.
I read and commented and like the coward you are, you deleted my comment, LOL!!!
You're ducking the question, just like I predicted.
Are you trying to claim God screwed up when a baby is born intersex?
Regardless, you claim there are only two sexes. So, when you encounter an intersex person with XXY chromosomes and both male and female rudimentary sexual organs, how do you classify such a person - male or female?
C'mon, you assured us a four year old could answer this question, so why do you keep ducking it? You keep ducking it because you are too prideful to admit you're wrong, ROTFL!!!
UPDATE: @Evegpt can't answer my question and won't admit she's stumped, so instead, she blocked me, ROTFL!!!
@redredred No I didn't redredred, you just want to pretend that i'm in the same category as you, just on the other side of the political fence. But, you won't find much examples of that, and when I do you can call me out on it. But I'm pretty sure you can't substantiate that either. Because you live in a fantasy world where you are the king and everyone that disagrees with you is just a worthless fucking moron.
Yeah yeah, you just keep creating this optical illusion that I'm the stupid one here. But you can't proof any of your claims, that is what is really happening. And the reason why you can't proof anything, is because you are hooked on bad sources and you are extremely ignorant. But instead of improving yourself, you just keep pretending that you're the man. What a joke!
Two weeks, right? In two weeks you're predicting ALL Covid deaths will be reclassified as other forms of death? You're claiming Trump was correct when he said
BTW, you're still ducking my question: C'mon, finish the sentence - over counted in 2020 by how much? By what percentage in 2020?
@basilfawlty89 Im not an anti vaxer just because i dont get the shot its a glorified flu shot thats all and i never ever get those the health care system is screwed up to begin with & this pandemic just proves how bad it is (which is another discussion for another time)
@SomeMichGuy what fucking dis information ??????????????? so the health care system isnt screwed up ???????????? how is the covid shot NOT like the flu shot ... oh wait i only need one flu shot & need how many covid shots ???????
I got the J&J vaccine because it wasn't an mRNA vaccine. The Covid vaccine is the first mRNA vaccine to have large scale phase 3 human trials. The technology was tested on rabies, zika, CMV and others but wasn't effective. They started experimenting with mRNA back in the mid 80s, scientists began working on a covid vaccine in 2020 and everything was rushed. From my perspective they did something in a year and a half that normally would have taken 10 years or more to put on the market.
I am not necessarily against mRNA vaccines, but I am against rushing through trials and not knowing what the long-term effects are going to be. And the CDC doesn't really have a track record of being totally honest, "vaccines are safe", until kids started having reactions to the mercury in them, then they said there wasn't any mercury in the newer vaccines, it was inactive virus and a preservative called thimerosal. The problem is that thimerosal is 50% mercury.
RNA is a messenger for DNA, what are those altered RNA going to do in 10 years? If I had cancer or some other disease and my doctor said mRNA might save my life, I would absolutely try it. But to make it a mandatory vaccine for covid seems a stretch to me. And covid just hasn't been the problem it was portrayed to be. They started talking about 20-30% casualty rates. In the US there have been 80 million cases of and 100K deaths. That is a lot of people dead but in a country of 340 million, that is not 20% or even 2%, it is 0.125%. The real travesty here is that both the right and the left used covid for political positioning instead of trying to serve the nation in the best interests of their health. Rushing to do something isn't always the right answer, "the sky is falling, we have to act now." and then something stupid happens like putting covid patients in nursing homes.
Something about covid, the ghastly inflation and Ukraine all together seems fishy. That and Biden having the title of President when he clearly isn’t capable and after him the line of succession being awful. @Roadsterrider
@jackjjackson True, but it is what it is. The country survived, Wilson the father of the income tax and FDR the father of the modern progressive movement. It will survive Biden as well.
@ElwoodBlues With leaps like that you should try out for the Olympics. No but the entire COVID scamdemic has been milked by TPTB to seize civil rights everywhere. You don’t have to agree because it would take more insight than you have. It’s okay if you want to blindly trust the governments, your welfare concerns me not in the least.
As for why COVID has been milked? Maybe this is why
@redredred can you provide an actual link to that table which ostensibly shows what hospitals make per covid patient? I’ll be surprised if that’s anything more than a table someone has cobbled together on their phone
In blue states like Connecticut, New York and New Jersey it was an opportunity to kill off thousands of seniors. Seniors, you know the cohort that typically votes conservative and cost the states the most for medical care. I’m sure that’s just one of those statistical coincidences.
Can you provide any proof of your spurious claims? I simply took the numbers YOU provided, though I do doubt their provenance without proof. I won't defend the mistakes made by the Governments in those States but I do seriously doubt it was as you claim, intentional disposal of so-called "Conservative Seniors". Many mistakes have been made during this Pandemic on both sides, even while tRump was President, but to even remotely suggest that any Government intentionally disposed of anyone is ridiculous conspiracy theory...
@MrBrownstone Oh yes, I went to a Junior Hockey game last night, there were 5000+ people there and about 10,000 Bluetooth signals, gee wonder what that means??? 😖
WRONG! No you didn't. You're not bright enough to string those words together, much less understand what the phrase means. If you made it up, then tell us, does the deficiency show in in antibodies or antigens? t or b cells?
You didn't make that up. Putin's FSB made it up. You're just playing Putin's pet parrot, tweeting out his lie, LOL!!!
I believe many make no claims as to exactly what the pitfalls are,but are exercising their right to abstain from participation.Just as those who want to have their jabs.
@iamonfire696 I guess it must be kind of like the lottery, same here, have had 3 shots so far and no chip yet, would have been kind of neat to able to get my firmware upgrades via Bluetooth or 5G, dammit! 🤪
@SW-User Yes yes to support your lame narrative. I’m calling BS. Everything you post is BS and this is nothing different. And stupid? I’ve been vaxxed twice and your so called “vaccine” did jack shit to stop me from getting infected. And it did jack shit to stop the spread. Those are facts. But keep parroting your lame narrative and please keep boosting. When they find another dead parrot in it’s cage it won’t be missed.
But there are all sorts of postings here which HAVE given you REAL info.
Bringing it down to brass tacks and highlighting it with text effects might help make it clear that this is *not* like your makeup, your jewelry, or your hairstyle; it's a lot more like smoking, which CAN kill others.
At the end of the day, do you want to help kill others? If the interpersonal transmission were different, we wouldn't be having the same problem.
[Postscript:
The gal with whom I was interacting said replied with "wow, all this judgment for just sayin..."--that's all I saw in my notifications, as she blocked me. That's probably the best outcome, though it is sad to see a person seton the proposition that her/his personal rights outweigh the deaths of others.
@SomeMichGuy wow, all this judgment for just saying I didn't think the anti-vaxer label fit. Never once mentioned Trump ,you did? Everybody on this site knows that I do not care for Mr Trump. I neverbmade my own position on the vaccine known to you or said it was a bad idea yet you're accusing me of killing people and not knowing anything I'm pretty much done.
A doctor who read a peer-reviewed paper about them before they rolled out told me that same thing and they didn’t even know exactly what they would do from person to person.
