Anti-vaxxers who are convinced that “they” are altering our mRNA or whatever…
…what are you actually thinking will happen to us? And why? And what’s in it for “them”?
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Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I got the J&J vaccine because it wasn't an mRNA vaccine. The Covid vaccine is the first mRNA vaccine to have large scale phase 3 human trials. The technology was tested on rabies, zika, CMV and others but wasn't effective. They started experimenting with mRNA back in the mid 80s, scientists began working on a covid vaccine in 2020 and everything was rushed. From my perspective they did something in a year and a half that normally would have taken 10 years or more to put on the market.
I am not necessarily against mRNA vaccines, but I am against rushing through trials and not knowing what the long-term effects are going to be. And the CDC doesn't really have a track record of being totally honest, "vaccines are safe", until kids started having reactions to the mercury in them, then they said there wasn't any mercury in the newer vaccines, it was inactive virus and a preservative called thimerosal. The problem is that thimerosal is 50% mercury.
RNA is a messenger for DNA, what are those altered RNA going to do in 10 years? If I had cancer or some other disease and my doctor said mRNA might save my life, I would absolutely try it. But to make it a mandatory vaccine for covid seems a stretch to me. And covid just hasn't been the problem it was portrayed to be. They started talking about 20-30% casualty rates. In the US there have been 80 million cases of and 100K deaths. That is a lot of people dead but in a country of 340 million, that is not 20% or even 2%, it is 0.125%. The real travesty here is that both the right and the left used covid for political positioning instead of trying to serve the nation in the best interests of their health. Rushing to do something isn't always the right answer, "the sky is falling, we have to act now." and then something stupid happens like putting covid patients in nursing homes.
I am not necessarily against mRNA vaccines, but I am against rushing through trials and not knowing what the long-term effects are going to be. And the CDC doesn't really have a track record of being totally honest, "vaccines are safe", until kids started having reactions to the mercury in them, then they said there wasn't any mercury in the newer vaccines, it was inactive virus and a preservative called thimerosal. The problem is that thimerosal is 50% mercury.
RNA is a messenger for DNA, what are those altered RNA going to do in 10 years? If I had cancer or some other disease and my doctor said mRNA might save my life, I would absolutely try it. But to make it a mandatory vaccine for covid seems a stretch to me. And covid just hasn't been the problem it was portrayed to be. They started talking about 20-30% casualty rates. In the US there have been 80 million cases of and 100K deaths. That is a lot of people dead but in a country of 340 million, that is not 20% or even 2%, it is 0.125%. The real travesty here is that both the right and the left used covid for political positioning instead of trying to serve the nation in the best interests of their health. Rushing to do something isn't always the right answer, "the sky is falling, we have to act now." and then something stupid happens like putting covid patients in nursing homes.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roadsterrider It is [i][u]biologically impossible[/u][/i] for mRNA to alter DNA.
Biologically impossible.
I’m not even going to explain why. If you don’t know why by now, you simply aren’t interested in finding out why.
Perhaps you could ask one the 1,000,000 American dead you so casually dismiss. Perhaps you might consider how high that number would be if covid were left unchecked.
Biologically impossible.
I’m not even going to explain why. If you don’t know why by now, you simply aren’t interested in finding out why.
Perhaps you could ask one the 1,000,000 American dead you so casually dismiss. Perhaps you might consider how high that number would be if covid were left unchecked.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@newjaninev2 I didn't say that RNA alters DNA, RNA does specific things in our bodies, is the altered RNA going to cause a problem down the road because it is altered? The answer is, we really don't know, because we have no data from long term trials.
Is it biologically impossible for DNA or RMA to be screwed up? I would say not. Cancer is an example of that.
I am not casually dismissing any deaths, it isn't as bad as they projected. They kept running headlong into mistakes and doubling down on things that didn't work including the vaccine. The masks don't keep you from getting covid, the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting covid, Social distancing doesn't keep you from getting it, nor do these measures keep someone from spreading it.
To make an informed decision, you have to know the truth about what you are making the decision on. Fauci and the CDC spewing things that just don't make sense doesn't help.
We will never know how many deaths were prevented by the lockdowns, this is true, but it is very obvious how the lockdowns affected the economy, inflation, small businesses that have closed, unemployment. The ways that the lockdowns hurt so many people, especially those on the lower end of the income spectrum is there for anyone with their eyes open to see.
A study by Johns Hopkins found that suicide rates for persons of color in Maryland increased by 94%. A doubling of suicide rates. Is it easy to dismiss that?
And in the end, a fatality rate is just that. A virus doesn't go away, like the flu, we will have a covid season and a flu season from here on out. Should we shut down the world from September to February to make sure no one dies from the flu or covid?
Is it biologically impossible for DNA or RMA to be screwed up? I would say not. Cancer is an example of that.
I am not casually dismissing any deaths, it isn't as bad as they projected. They kept running headlong into mistakes and doubling down on things that didn't work including the vaccine. The masks don't keep you from getting covid, the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting covid, Social distancing doesn't keep you from getting it, nor do these measures keep someone from spreading it.
To make an informed decision, you have to know the truth about what you are making the decision on. Fauci and the CDC spewing things that just don't make sense doesn't help.
We will never know how many deaths were prevented by the lockdowns, this is true, but it is very obvious how the lockdowns affected the economy, inflation, small businesses that have closed, unemployment. The ways that the lockdowns hurt so many people, especially those on the lower end of the income spectrum is there for anyone with their eyes open to see.
A study by Johns Hopkins found that suicide rates for persons of color in Maryland increased by 94%. A doubling of suicide rates. Is it easy to dismiss that?
And in the end, a fatality rate is just that. A virus doesn't go away, like the flu, we will have a covid season and a flu season from here on out. Should we shut down the world from September to February to make sure no one dies from the flu or covid?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
As of today I’ve had 4 Moderna’s. As a lucky cancer survivor due to extremely specific experimental immunotherapy, I feel this is similar and am good with it. It is not a true vaccine such as polio, etc. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson I appreciate your opinion, no harm, no foul. I don't feel a need to berate anyone for their choice. Health is an individual thing, not a one size fits all thing. We all make choices that affect our health, and all feel differently. It would be ridiculous for me to assume I knew more about your health and what is best for you than you yourself do. Rock on with what works for you.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Thanks. I am fortunate to be alive. 2012 was supposed to be my last year. I figure the docs that saved me and let me experience so much of my family’s life know something so I ride with them. Nothing is one size fit all and results vary for seemingly no reason no matter what course one takes. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson Cancer scares the hell out of me, I have been in aviation for 35 years, mastinox, MEK, different fuels, oils, and hydraulic fluids that I have been soaked in over the years, material inhaled or ingested. I could see mRNA doing great things with cancer in the future.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Cool profession and I get the exposure risks. Sounds like your health is good and let’s keep it that way. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@walabby You are correct, that was a typo in the article I was reading, the correct percentage of fatalities in 1.25% of 80 million confirmed cases. Still a far cry off of what the original projections were. The numbers may change a little, but the fatality rate isn't going to increase dramatically, as time goes on, it will drop due to natural immunity. The bottom line for me is that they used the whole thing as a political wedge instead of treating it as an actual health issue.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Who is THEY? Someday I really want to know that. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson For me, "they" are the politicians and appointed officials who used the virus as a political tool. Those who ignored the fact that the virus was very deadly for older people and lied to us saying the young had the same chance of death as older people. Those who continually preached about how horrible the US was dealing with the virus when fatality rates were pretty much equal across the globe. "They" are the ones who misinformed, put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. They are democrats and republicans who stirred the pot instead of looking at the reality of the situation, they are democrats and republicans who never spoke up against the ridiculous, they just went along for the ride.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roadsterrider [quote]fatality rates were pretty much equal across the globe[/quote]
What about infection rates?
What about infection rates?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I am wondering about the “THEY” who instructed the frontman huckster politicians what to say and do. @Roadsterrider @newjaninev2
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson Shadow government? The Bilderbergers? I don't know, I don't like to speculate about things with no proof. If I had the ability to follow the money trail and figure out how so many congressmen and senators get to be Millionaires over the course of a couple of years making less than $200K a year, it would probably be easier to figure out who the puppet master really is. That is one of the problems, 70% of them are millionaires and a good number have never had a job except for getting elected.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Is that the answer? Whoever “THEY” have just made it impossible to figure out so everyone gave up? I’m no crazed conspiracy theorist but how things go here in the US simply doesn’t make sense on the surface. There must be a strategy of which we are not aware. At least that ,isn’t be better than the mess and corruption we have. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson I don't know, I am not a conspiracy theorist unless it looks like I am being sold a bill of goods. I think it is just decades of grift and corruption by career politicians. There may be an evil cabal at work but to me it is lobbyists and bribes and career politicians who don't have a moral compass lining their own pockets.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Something about covid, the ghastly inflation and Ukraine all together seems fishy. That and Biden having the title of President when he clearly isn’t capable and after him the line of succession being awful. @Roadsterrider
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@jackjjackson True, but it is what it is. The country survived, Wilson the father of the income tax and FDR the father of the modern progressive movement. It will survive Biden as well.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I don’t see Biden making 4 years. @Roadsterrider