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Vaccinations 💉

It’s kinda mind boggling to me that people honestly see nothing wrong with businesses and corporations forcing vaccinations lol
A mask is one thing,
But a shot that will effect the insides of a human body..
idc what the situation is, what the shot is, what the case is… that shouldn’t be legal…
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Keepitsimple · 56-60, F
So don’t get the vaccination. I got it and every night aliens come from outer space and take me for a joy ride In their spaceship recording data from my body. It’s not that bad. I feel fine in the morning usually.
Vaccines make your immune system experienced on fighting the virus... It's a choice between getting badly sick by the virus and without vaccination now, or maybe, probably later by the vaccines.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@JerseyGal OMG that is horrible, they can really damage a person. I have never heard of those Solgar capsules before and I just checked the ingredients, taking most of what is in those already. Fermented turmeric is much more bioavailable and I take that, use ginger, take collagen and Boswellia…
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@JerseyGal I also have bone spurs in my spine and degeneration in my neck. I think the bone spurs is making the inflammation worse when I bend to do chores very much, I have to limit that to 2 hours a day.
JerseyGal · 56-60, F
@cherokeepatti
It's horrible how much damage they can do.
It sounds like you're doing the best you can for your arthritis.
I'm sorry that you also have bone spurs and degeneration in your neck. The inflammation definitely makes everything so much more difficult
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
In Europe we have an option to get tested or show the evidence of natural antibodies after overcoming covid-19. If these options are denied then it suggests it's not just about protection of the customers or employees.
Why should the vaccinated have more privileges than those who developed their own antibodies?
Elessar · 31-35, M
@CrazyMusicLover I would really think so. I saw the kind of stuff these people are willing to do and believe, from sending scans of their ID (and possibly money in some form) to dubious Telegram accounts that promised to return them an EU digital certificate QR-code (which is impossible to forge, unless the private key in possession of health authority was stolen, due to them being digitally signed), to people taking veterinary drugs instead of getting themselves admitted even when severe, in order to "not become covid statistics", and because they've read on some blog, group, or anything that ivermectin would magically cure them, and that the authorities are keeping it secret to push some agenda.

I would totally think these people are capable of infecting themselves on purpose, when so many of them think the pandemic is a staged plot and the vaccine the "actual danger".
Firegod74 · 51-55, M
@CrazyMusicLover that's how I feel. I had covid in January. My natural antibodies are what were used to make the vaccine. I would love to get tested and see where my antibody level is now compared to the first round of vaxers. Especially those that lined up for Astr Zenica before it was basically pulled from the shelves.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Firegod74 Over here you can get the pass 6 months after natural infection, iirc. When more data will be available on natural immunity, the window may be extended I suppose.

Vaccines immunity is not generated just by presenting a single protein to your body, adjuvants play a major role in effectiveness too.

Natural immunity gives a broader response (something like 27 different proteins versus just one), but that alone doesn't guarantee anything, otherwise Chinese vaccines that are practically the virus in an attenuated or inactivated form would be the most efficacious, whereas as far as I know they're even less effective than AstraZeneca.
SW-User
Because the employer pays for your insurance
SW-User
@wildbill83 that’s not nearly enough to cover healthcare though. So tell me what’s the tax rate in the us. Besides fuel. So i can get a better understanding how superior you are
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@SW-User 111,000,000 liters of gasoline sold per day, that's $35,000,000 just in fuel tax

And that's just one among hundreds of ways they tax goods to pay for social programs...
Confined · 56-60, M
@dakotaviper what govt is this? My job if I report a side effect from the vaccine I will be fired on the spot. USA
got the Moderna with no problem or side effects, he seems to enjoy playing with the new breast I grew in the middle of my back and I do have to sleep on my side now. small price to pay to keep him happy
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
Who are you listening too? Because the only ones putting out so called 'scientific' reasoning against the Vaccines are NOT working in the Areas of Public Health. They're Lab workers and nothing else. But the real reason that they're pushing their Anti-vaccination Agenda, is because they're not making ANY Money from these Vaccines. When the biggest Anti-vaxxing Doctors were asked whether they would give their own children this vaccine, their answer was absolutely YES. It's all about Money and noting else. Meaning those that are saying that you just need to get a Flu shot or a Pneumonia shot or some other treatment, are in Fact getting paid up to 100 times the cost of it and are getting paid absolutely Zero for any COVID-19 Vaccine.
JerseyGal · 56-60, F
Agree 💯%
Miklee02 · 51-55, F
StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M
Requiring vaccinations as a term of employment is reasonable. The freedom to find an employer who doesn’t is still available.
ArtieKat · M
Employers have a duty of care to all their employees to ensure the workplace is a safe environment - or they, and their insurers, will certainly face eye-watering compensation claims. If that means overriding the objections of a minority of rogue employees that is the pragmatic position they will take. All the LEGITIMATE studies conducted throughout the world show that the risks from any of the licensed vaccines are infinitesimal in comparison with the effects of Covid on the global population.
ArtieKat · M
@MrBrownstone You're saying that as an employer the CDC does not insist its employees are vaccinated?
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@ArtieKat Exactly
ArtieKat · M
@MrBrownstone There's an opening for all the anti-vaxxers who are denied employment elsewhere as I kinda suspect that Covid and its kids are going to be with the world for years to come
Firegod74 · 51-55, M
I saw a thing that said that OSHA in the states is making companies that require employees to have vaccines to pay sick leave if the employee has an adverse reaction to the vaccine as it is a work requirement in that workplace. Is this true?
Really · 80-89, M
@Firegod74 I don't know if this is true but it seems like an ethical (never mind legal) conundrum. I started to write my thoughts on it but they became so jumbled I gave up. Just glad I'm retired and vaccinated :).
Elessar · 31-35, M
Not really, vaccine mandates exist/ed also for pathogens that are no longer pandemic; notably smallpox, rubella, measles, polio, etc.

Also, it's not that you're coerced to take one, if you don't want to just stay in isolation until the pandemic is over.
Lapochka · 36-40, F
It’s mind boggling to the rest of us that people believe a government so inept it can’t provide an adequate drinking supply for its people could possible use vaccines as a way of controlling people.

And not prevent death and disease, like they actually do.
Lapochka · 36-40, F
@Really No, you argumentative old fuck, I’ll obviously not be posting peoples personal details online.
Really · 80-89, M
@Lapochka
you argumentative old fuck
Thanks for revealing to us all, the depth of your intelligence and your social skills.
Lapochka · 36-40, F
@Really Totally welcome
Really · 80-89, M
Businesses cannot and do not 'force vaccinations', but they have the right, even the obligation, to maintain a healthy environment in the workplace and to place appropriate restrictions on their employees.
TexChik · F
Eh, businesses have always had the right to turn away or make requirements for their establishment.. so I don’t really think it’s illegal. But Have you heard about how crazy strict the lockdown in Australia is?? Now that I believe is too far and downright scary.
SW-User
@SweetNSassy yeah where I live we aren’t even on lockdown anymore and I’m always getting messages from people asking how I’m coping in lockdown and I’m like haven’t been on lockdown in several months😅
JustNik · 51-55, F
There have been mandatory vaccinations for decades. They used to be considered good things we were lucky to have.
They can’t mandate any penetration to your body without your consent due to the constitution of human rights, under that law an act of that can be considered rape (mandating penetration to body without your consent)
Elessar · 31-35, M
@BalladOfADeadSoulja I doubt, go check how smallpox was eradicated.
Really · 80-89, M
@BalladOfADeadSoulja Are you talking about the USA? - and what is "the constitution of human rights"?

@ElessarI didn't think that vaccination for polio & smallpox etc were, and perhaps are, legally mandated anywhere. I could be wrong of course.

Where I lived during the polio 'campaign' I think vaccination was voluntary, but generally was eagerly accepted; seen correctly as protection from a threat over which every pregnant woman was scared. But I was too young to pay any attention to politics, constitutions, bills of rights.

My own polio shot was mandated by my parents, but I didn't feel 'raped' :)
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Really Over here in my part of Europe they pretty much are, without measles or polio vaccination you can't work in a lot of workplaces nor (and about this I'm certain) enroll in school. The smallpox vaccine was in a similar fashion mandatory as well, but ceased to be once the disease has been fully eradicated, as far as I know.

For some professions, e.g. in the food industry, other vaccines are compulsory as well, for instance Tetanus.

The legal framework, for what concern us, is already in place if they want to mandate SCV2 vaccines for the general population I think. We just need the full approval by the EMA.
curiosi · 61-69, F
Some things you just can't wrap your head around especially given the history of the government doing evil things to it's citizens.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@curiosi wouldn’t surprise me if at least half of the deaths attributed to Covid were cold-blooded murder by withholding antibiotics or hooking them up to ventilators and leaving them unattended (which at least one nurse has spoken about) till they passed. They’ve known that HCQ is effective but suppressed the information and had the few doctors speaking out of it censored by the media and suspended and banned on social media. It’s probably been calculated how much money would be saved in SSI/SS/Medicare etc. if people who had chronic illnesses or obesity died before they lived for at least a decade more. There’s a hospital in Sarasota, Florida that withheld antibiotics from a Covid patient in his 50’s who developed pneumonia. His roommate at the hospital is a medical doctor & became his patient-advocate and tried to get him help to get his antibiotics. He was forcibly detained for over hours till the hospital could figure out what to do about the situation and the patient died as a result.
curiosi · 61-69, F
@cherokeepatti Yep and I hear on here all the time "I will talk to my doctor and listen to his advice" They wear it like a badge of honor thinking that doctors care about anything but themselves.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
It's not corporations... It's best medical advice...
Some people aren't threatened by it and some aren't.
scooogy · 31-35, MVIP
I recently read about this. I'd compare this to a librarian searching for books in which you can read how to solve problems like the virus. Your body is like that library full of books, but you need the vaccine as the librarian to get said books from that bunch in there.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
Do you also object to schools requiring entering kindergarteners to be up-to-date with the standard childhood vaccines?
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@DrWatson they have turned young children into pincushions with all the shots that they require. It was so bad 11 years ago when I was a greeter at Walmart that young children would turn away from me when I offered them a happy face sticker. Their mothers explained to me it was because they are getting so many injections…poor babies.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@cherokeepatti a greeter at Walmart. I'm thinking about quitting my job and getting one of those greeting jobs since Walmart is bumping their starting pay to $20 per hour with a $2500 sign on bonus in my area.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@dakotaviper I don’t know if they are still hiring greeters. Anytime I go inside it seems that they are rotating people from different departments. I think for that extra pay they will have you covering more jobs than just one. My friend started out working for the Walmart nearest my house from the day it opened as a greeter, she told me years ago she never wanted to be a cashier. But that’s what she is doing now. They were changing things around with the greeter jobs a few months before I quit 10 years ago.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
It is not legal. It contravenes the Nuremburg code. Any business that does that can be in serious trouble along with any politician who implements such a law to make it 'legal'.
Atlotto · M
Agree...I'm just glad I'm self employed.
Really · 80-89, M
You're saying that employers should be prevented from defining the standards of public health that are required of employees?
I thought fhizer passed regulations. (I probably spelled that wrong).
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Spoiledbrat it's spelled Pfizer. But I get your meaning.
lol I knew that looked wrong. @dakotaviper
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
No business or corporate entity is forcing the vaccine, if you don’t want to get it stay home.
Businesses are a smarter than the general population and realize disease hurts profits.
I can see lots of businesses either going broke from losing customers, or go under from looting.
cycleman · 61-69, M
and people want their employers to cover their health care.

Get responsible and take care of your health. Not your ego.
Chevy454 · 46-50, M
Guess what, you needed vaccines to go to school too.
I get what you are saying
BabyLonia · F
A business may feel it has the need to protect staff and customers. Consider this, the majority of people are vaccinated, if you are a grocery store that mandates all staff are vaccinated, customers may feel more comfortable shopping there than a rival that does not mandate it.
And I guess the choice is then to get the vaccine or to look for another job
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
So find another job then if you don’t want to take it.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
You can cry about your constitutional rights after we have the disease under control.
@LordShadowfire ok Adolph “seig hell”
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@BalladOfADeadSoulja I'm sorry you think common sense measures to stop the spread of a disease are equivalent of starting a Nazi regime. I really had hoped I would be able to talk since to you, but you're obviously too fucking stupid.
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