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Creationist eat your heart out! Evolution is the ONLY logical explanation!

We have in our genome what are known as Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs).
These represent the genetic information of viruses which at one time infected an organism's reproductive cells and so the viral genetic information was encoded at random points in the genome and passed on to the offspring.

If life was created discretely in different "kinds" then there is no reason that ERVs should be present at the same random places in a genome with increasing frequency the more closely related the organism and the odds that this has occurred randomly are akin to finding a specific needle in a stack of needles and also finding it at the same point in a hundred other needle stacks.

Creations just falls flat here.

Thoughts?
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
Don’t be silly. The entire universe was sneezed into existence by the great green Arkleseizure. And beware, the coming of the great white tissue is closer than you think 😏
@Zaphod42

That tissue promised to wipe my nose before the drip had passed down my chin!
Lies!
How about all the evidence that eukaryotic mitochondria are actually endo-symbiots?
@CopperCicada

I think i was doing quite well to identify the similarity!🧐
lol i'm very ignorant.
Interesting subject though!
@Pikachu Sure. That wasn't a criticism.

I like your ERV argument. Too many of these evolution discussions get lost because they are at this Darwinian scale of macroevolution.

Just take a cell and there are all these signs of evolution. Your ERV case is of genetic markers.

I thought I'd throw in the mitochondria one so you can use that one in the future.
@CopperCicada
No worries, i wasn't taking it as criticism, just trying to salve me ego lol

Your examples are intriguing and i must investigate them so i can properly understand their significance.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
God made it that way.
I don't believe in god but hey if I did that would be my answer.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Pikachu We should pray for your salvation together now. 🙏
@GeniUs

I'm doing it...am i salved now?
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Pikachu Yeah we'll call that good.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
Creationist eat your heart out! Evolution is the ONLY logical explanation!

Well, there's your problem! Using the word "logic" in conjunction with "creationist." The two are mutually exclusive.
Well creationists do believe in ritual cannibalism so they may actually eat a heart.
Actually that is one of my pet hypotheses about what happened to Jesuses body. His disciples fucked up his "this is my body and blood eat of it" message and literally ate him after he died.

Stranger: "Hey have you seen jesus anywhere?"
Disciple with blood smeared mouth points up: "He went that way."
@canusernamebemyusername

lol i mean who knows which part of Christ's body that wafer comes from...what if it's they peenyus?!😳
Can you explain why there is no reason for it to be present if created in different kinds? Also you said same random places so how is that random if it's the same? Doesn't that show some kind of order?
If life was created discretely in different "kinds" then there is no reason that ERVs should be present at the same random places in a genome with increasing frequency the more closely related the organism and the odds that this has occurred randomly are akin to finding a specific needle in a stack of needles and also finding it at the same point in a hundred other needle stacks.
I don't disbelieve evolution. I'm one of those weird people that thinks what science has found can coexist with the idea of a creation.
@midnightrose
Can you explain why there is no reason for it to be present if created in different kinds?

Because ERVs are the result of infection events. It makes no sense that god would create organisms with viral genetic material which is ordinarily inserted during an infection. Furthermore, there's no reason that the location of these ERVs in the genome should be positively correlated with organisms that evolution describes as more closely related.

you said same random places so how is that random if it's the same? D

The places in the genome where ERV material is found are random results of the viral infection. That is to say that even if the same kind of virus infected two different species at the same time there is little chance that the ERV would end up in the same place in the genome of both hosts.
So that the ERVs appear in the same places with increasing frequency with more closely related species shows that those two species share an ancestor which itself was infected by a virus, had the ERV encoded in its genome and passed that altered gene code on to its progeny.

Doesn't that show some kind of order?

Absolutely. It shows the order of phylogeny. It falls in line with what is predicted by evolution: that more closely related animals will share more ERV sites than more distantly related animals.
Straylight · 31-35, F
👉😖👈 But God moves in mysterious ways! 🙃
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
I wonder if ants say that about humans 😂 @Straylight
@Straylight

So i'm told!
lol that appears to be an *ahem* explanation for a lot of things which believers have trouble explaining.
Ingwe · F
you try so hard
@Ingwe Hmm, i try often but i think at best i'm half-assing it lol
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Evolution holds no water
Just like your brain...
@Zonuss

lol so...now you're just combing over my old threads to post little kiddie insults?
Wow i really got under your skin! 😂😂
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Pikachu You respond still. I got under your skin. 😛
@Zonuss

Dang, got me. What a fool i've been lol
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@allygator18

I think you're right.
This is only of interest to people who take an interest in such matters.

 
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