Have you noticed that God can supposedly create planets and dinosaurs and everything that humans can't make...
...but can't make anything humans [i]can[/i] make? He can't make a box or a boat or a book or a building and that's when he calls and needs [i]us[/i] to do his work for him....almost as if he's imaginary and can't really do anything himself... -Aron Ra
Do you really think he couldn't? He told the Israelites exactly how to make them, gave them specific instructions because they did not know how. Why do you suppose that he did that?
If there was no evidence for God's word, I wouldn't be a Christian! My strength on the IQ test is "analytical thinking". I test God on his word and have done so for 30 years. Before that I was a marginal Christian but i didn't test God's promises.
I wouldn't be as bold as I am unless I [i]know[/i] that he means what he says, and that you can trust His word with your entire life. ✌️
I don't doubt that you've been convinced about god in the same way that a homeopath might be convinced by homeopathy or a Muslim might be convinced about Allah.
But i am not convinced and i am not convinced for what seem to me to be good reasons. So as you said, let's leave it there for now.✌️
I don't know, I've battled between agnosticism, atheism, deism, etc for some time now.
Ah indisputable fact is, that the energy that fuels us, makes us what we are - will be in this universe forever. Does that make energy itself, the universe, us as the observers, God(s)
Or perhaps if God is to mean an ultimate being - could another alien civilization be so advanced, they could essentially control all activities of a planet, or change the course of history for animals as simple as us?
If, with what little piece of the universe we take up, are sentient and have some form of free will - does the universe itself have a will, purpose, or connection?
Quantum entanglement is where things get exciting... But does it describe an inherently connected universe, anything greater at play?
I thought this was kind of an interesting thought which had not occurred to me before. Seems that god could of made an ark for his faithful children you know?
I think this really just re-enforces the impression i have that the bible represents an embellished history in which the normal progression of warfare and politics are attributed to a god's will.
I don't think that's a particularly apt analogy because they do NOT consider god to be a high end executive. They consider him to be a loving parent.
I'm not trying to win anyone over with this. No one who has faith in the god of the bible will lose their faith over this and for the atheist it is preaching to the choir. I was just hoping to stimulate some discussion.
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@Pikachu they consider him to be a loving father who has cut off involvement with us to let us experience mortality, it's a test of sorts. Like the baby birds leaving their nest.
But I do question why miracles don't exist today. Why no grand happenings that could only be explained as a miracle, occur..
It could even be they attributed regular happenings to God. Like, yeah, a city on a fault line, that had corrupt people ( by anyone's standards.) will eventually have an earthquake.
[quote]who has cut off involvement with us to let us experience mortality[/quote]
Absolutely not. The god of the bible is a [i]living [/i]god. A god who personally involves himself in the lives of his people. That's kinda the whole point when contrasted to the false gods like Baal or Moloch. The go of the bible is super invested to the point where he's sent his son do die. Christians believe that god has a plan for each individual and actively intercedes on their behalf. I don't think you can reasonably characterize that as a hands off, let the baby bird fly idea.
[quote]But I do question why miracles don't exist today[/quote]
Indeed. Miracles appear to be negatively correlated with increase in understanding of the natural world and ability to reliably document the phenomenon.
[quote]It could even be they attributed regular happenings to God. [/quote]
That really is my impression when i read the OT. Especially when they're talking about wars. When the Israelites are winning that is because god is happy with them and when their losing it's because god is mad with the people or he king or whatever.
lol thank you, but that's not a quote. I mean the OP was, that was Aron Ra and that is the person to whom i attributed it. That last post was straight off the dome😉
Religion likes to make human insignificant. Homo sapiens has existed for 250,000 years and once metal working began, it took five thousand years to reach the moon. Should we praise god for the assist?
@Peaceandnamaste I think it's cool stories but just as much a religion as any other. Based in myth and tradition rather than fact. I mean obviously it's absurd to refer to Native American religion as one homogeneous body lol. So i should say rather that the ones i have been exposed i would describe thusly.
@Pikachu Native American spirituality includes respect for the planet and it's creatures...not so the savages,the whites who destroyed their homes,killed the buffalo so the real Americans would starve to death....on and on. It's more a philosophy,like Buddhism,as opposed to religion as we know it.What "myths" are you referring to? The myths are about whites prettying up history by calling them savages when they were victims. We did the exact same things to blacks.
It does. Interesting concept. Perhaps we're involved in making choices to either help or hinder mankind, and, seeing as we cannot make planets(not even Elon can), we can make much smaller gestures, like building a homeless shelter or the like.
@Pikachu What do you think it means when it says Chariot of fire? Ancient astronaut theorists and many ufologists believe this reference describes a extraterrestrial spaceship.
And that's not the only place in the bible that reference a flying object. A NASA engineer, Josef F. Blumrich, author of the book The Spaceships of Ezekiel, modeled a spaceship from the description given in the book of Ezekiel. The passage in Ezekiel describes circular flying objects that can seamlessly move in any given direction. Does that arouse your curiosity any?
I like the idea of the gods of our legends being extra terrestrial, yeah. Seems more likely than supernatural beings. But the evidence for such a circumstance is pretty shaky.
