A political dilemma in the UK

@whowasthatmaskedman makes no sense but i suppose its an answer

@gol979 voice all the opinion you like. It's what social media was created for, but it's not influential and determines nothing

@Picklebobble2 another comment but still no answer.

@SunshineGirl That is an opt out.

Possibly the Liberals may soften the approach. But they did not last time.

@SW-User It's participatory democracy. If you feel there is no real choice, then create one. President Macron did in France . . effectively neutered two established parties.

@Burnley123 Equally alarming is that the last time the Liberals were in coalition, they were not a moderating force, but more Tory than the Tories.
And as for the Ulster Unionists, the less said the better.
Then we have the Scottish MPs that have lost their way. It is hopeless.

@Burnley123 As much as I wanted to see Corbyn in I think him being in charge during the Covid pandemic would've done untold damage to The Labour party, even if it had only cost a tenth of what The Tories spent.

@GeniUs Yes indeed. The political establishment would have been undermining him anyway. If a Corbyn led labour govt had dealt with the pandemic twice as well as the Tories, they would have got ten times the criticism. He wouldn't have lasted a full term


Honestly, neoliberalism is so locked down in the UK that it's just seen as common sense to most politicians, the media, the civil service and much of the public. One man at the top of the party and a hundred thousand left activists was never going to be enough to change the country. It pains me to say this because I was one of those activists. It was worth a shot but we were always going to massively outgunned.

It is grimly amusing for me to see centre left people starting to realise quite how craven and rightwing Starmer is. Some are still clinging to hope. The Labour left has known for three years. The Labour right does not care about the party supporters at all.

@Robert6 Not discouraging you from voting labour but, however meagre your expectations are, they are likely to be disappointed.

@smiler2012 A little unfair on Kier, at least he does not come across as an avatar like Rishi.

@deadgerbil It's the same party; Conservative is the official name Tory is a shortened version or nickname not sure how it came about but it is so often used that they call it themselves now.

Please explain how Labour disenfranchises one hundred thousand homeless families.
Really don't follow about cars either. The point is to keep polluting vehicles out of London for the health of everyone ,especially children and old people ,highly susceptible to respiratory illness.

@Robert6 That is nonsense.
Try to vote without a Passport, a Bus Pass or a Driving License.

Don’t believe the hype about pollution.

Please read the reports about childhood asthma and other serious illness caused by fumes and particles.
Agree electoral law has taken a wrong turn.

The Conservatives are awful. Agreed. Wouldn't describe Labour as such by any means. Would be a distinct improvement.

That is simply your opinion to which you are entitled but with which I disagree.

@Robert6 wow, first time ive seen anyone actually say a good thing about sir, trilateral commission kier starmer. Hes just as bad as the blue team

@Strictmichael75 I agree, a lot of todays problems are of their making, but there are no easy solutions.

At least a change of government, whether Labour or coalition, will give fresh ideas. And as I said earlier we are humans, not commodities.

@V00doo At least Labour treat us as human beings of value.

@SW-User
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