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What do you think about NATO offering to withdraw nukes from Europe in exchange for ending the Ukraine invasion?

The ridiculous question above was asked on Quora (quora.com) and the answer below was offered by quoran Alan Taylor. I love his answer and support it 100%.

How about this? The West will agree to lift all its sanctions against Russia as soon as Russia does the following:

1) Removes all its troops and agents from Ukrainian soil, including the Donbas and Crimea

2) Returns to Ukraine all the people that have been relocated into Russia since February 24, including the children

3) Releases all prisoners of war currently in Russian custody

4) Agrees to pay reasonable reparations to Ukraine out of its assets seized by Western banks

5) Denounces the statehood of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic and formally recognizes such territories as oblasts of a sovereign Ukraine

6) Completely denuclearizes, allowing UN agents to inspect, remove, and insure the safe disposal of all Russian nuclear warheads

7) Renounces nuclear weapons and agrees to unfettered UN inspections of all Russian nuclear facilities to insure that Russia never attempts to re-nuclearize

8) Surrenders its seat on the UN security council

That sounds like a good plan to me.

Me too. Number two is especially important to me. Thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of non-combatant civilians have been involuntarily "depopulated" from Ukraine and moved to labor camps in Russia. This crime against humanity must be reversed.

Number six and seven are necessary because no country in the history of the world has threatened nuclear war as often or to the extent that Russia has in 2022. They can no longer be allowed to possess such weapons.

Your thoughts?

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Yulianna · 26-30, F

🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦 this deserves thought? it would be more productive to read the fairy tales of Grimm!

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Yulianna We achieve this: The automatic and complete rejection of a Russian withdrawal of all but Donbas and Crimea with a claim of victory and ceasefire. No. That will not do it.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@sarabee1995 we know this, but we also know that putin does not care that we know. he will declare victory when he wants, when he knows the immediate cost of further aggression is too high.

he will consolidate, wait for those 100K Korean andd10K Syrian supermen to arrive, and relaunch offensive.

meanwhile, organise fake referendums in Donbas oblasts and recognise the "new republics". pledge to defend them with nuclear weapons. and most of the world will do nothing.

room101 · 51-55, M

@sarabee1995 It sounds good on paper............erm, on a screen. However, I have to agree with @Yulianna, it's all a fairy tale that will never happen. Even worse, it broadcasts intentions and objectives. Both of which will galvanise Russians. Not good.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

Castles on a cloud.

I worry about Ukraine and all the people hurt, detained, displaced, have lost loved ones, etc, etc.

It's nice to idk... hope for some kind of easy solution but it's not realistic. Putin is not going to stop.

I am very furious with Russia. I am furious over the many many crimes against Ukraine. The sooner Russia is defeated the better! I hope Putin chokes on it.

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Yulianna · 26-30, F

@Scribbles ok, thank you. 🤗

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Scribbles I'm with you 100% Scribs. Russia is on a path to be set back at least 40-50 years economically because of Putin's actions here, more if they don't end this soon.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Its missing something... allowing the extradition and criminal prosecution of any and ALL Russian war criminals including with no limitation senior leadership for acts committed against Ukrainian nationals and volunteers on Ukrainian territory.. The tribunals will be military courts comprised of appropriate rank personnel..

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Yulianna · 26-30, F

@pdqsailor1 this may well be true, but he will die at russian hands, not condemned by a foreign court.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

so long as it happens much sooner rather than later @Yulianna

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@pdqsailor1 there is no reason to suppose it will... and every reason to believe that putin will gonuclear ratherthan face defeat and humiliation.

TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M

1 to 8 will never happen.
Much as I would like that.
I am of the opinion I will not live to see the end of this war.
Because I cannot see Russia ever being completely defeated unless NATO go in and end it.
And it suits NATO countries to keep Russia occupied.
And that may not be what anyone wants to hear but i believe it.
Do you just keep fighting until you have no one left to be killed?
Because both sides will reach that point.It may take 25,30 years but no one is going to have kids knowing that at 18 they will be sent off to be killed.
Food for thought.
If I was Ukrainian and I hadn’t fled the country yet I would.
And I know a certain friend won’t agree with me.
But my views on war are well known.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@TheSirfurryanimalWales 🇺🇦🌻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 one must be prepared to fight for ones beliefs.

if one believes nothing...

Elessar · 26-30, M

Russia will never agree to this:

1) It would be an admission of defeat - Putin's regime would collapse, that won't happen deliberately by their own decision unless the Russian people go fully 1789

2) even if all the sanctions were lifted tomorrow, the damage is done - no investor that is sane of mind will return to such a risky market, after they've lost their investments in that market already

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Elessar You are likely correct.

vetguy1991 · 51-55, M

I have a feeling Russia will not honor their end of the agreement

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@vetguy1991 Hence the UN monitoring that the Quoran suggested.

bowman81 · M

Neither England nor France will be willing to give up their nukes. If they did they would rely solely on the USA for nuclear deterrence and would lose their membership to that exclusive "club" of nuclear powers. That isn't going to happen. It wouldn't matter one whit if they did. The Russians would come up for another "reason".

Fear of Nato nukes is just another lame attempt to justify aggressive empire building (re-building). Russia is already the largest country in the world yet they want more..... the Russian version of "Lebensraum".

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@bowman81 Clearly you are responding to the Quora question contained in the title of the post and not to the post itself. I said right in my first words that the question posed was ridiculous. I suggest that if you wish to respond to a post, that you actually read it. 🤷‍♀️

KiwiBird · 36-40, F

....and russia will sign anything and honour nothing.

Budapest Memorandum 1994. Does that ring a bell. Ukraine’s sovereignty wasn't exactly respected. The annexation of Crimea as a starting point and the other signatories to the agreement stood back and let it happen. (or so it seems to the onlooker)

russia has no honour
I wouldn't trust putin and anything he signed.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@KiwiBird No, of course not. As Reagan said of the Soviets ... "Trust, but verify"

Thinkerbell · 41-45, F

Not a chance that Russia would agree to those terms.

They need their nukes as a safeguard against China.

And Russia may at some time in the future ask to join NATO for protection against China.

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carpediem · 61-69, M

@Thinkerbell Interesting angle. Now you have me thinking. But I’m trying to relax.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Thinkerbell You are not wrong. And I agree that Russia would not sign an agreement as proposed above. But I like it as a starting point for negotiation.

WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M

It won’t happen. Because those weapons belong to the sovereign nations of the treaty. Not the body itself.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@WintaTheAngle Read it. Agreed with it. And yet, chose not to respond to it, but instead to respond to the ridiculous Quora question that motivated the post??? mmhmmm. Okay.

Nippy?

WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M

@sarabee1995 Yes. Nippy.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@WintaTheAngle Okay, I don't argue that one. I've been called worse!

msros · F

Putin is a piece of shit.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@msros I hope you're not waiting for an argument from me! ;)

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Glassysky · 26-30, M

Nuclear weapons arent meant to be used. Their symbolic.

Besides.. when is your country going to pay for its warcrimes in Iraq, afghanistan?
The cia trained armed militas who became isisand aleuda

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Glassysky 🙄

Adogslife · 61-69, M

Six and seven seem the least likely to occur, but the answer itself is fantastic, albeit unlikely. 😕

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Adogslife · 61-69, M

@sarabee1995 They could implode too. Not immediately, but it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

Wouldn’t that be nice…

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Adogslife They will implode. Economically. It's already beginning.

Adogslife · 61-69, M

@sarabee1995 Yes, economically was what I was referring to when I said implode.

dale74 · M

By offering a reduction, withdrawal or removal to a hostile force (Russia) you do nothing but encourage their behavior in the future while you are in a weaker position.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@dale74 Clearly you are responding to the Quora question contained in the title of the post and not to the post itself. I said right in my first words that the question posed was ridiculous. I suggest that if you wish to respond to a post, that you actually read it. 🤷‍♀️

Alfarrobas · 31-35, M

So... in that exchange Russia gains nothing? Just no more sanctions?

Freeranger · M

Not going to happen. It's not even realistic.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Freeranger Agreed. But it's a good starting place.

YukikoAmagi

wtf

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@YukikoAmagi 🤔

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@SW-User Thank you.

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

So long as Putin is alive no deal.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Fukfacewillie Hmmm ... okay, so we must change this?

BackyardShaman · 61-69, M

Putin is going to die of cancer and/or complications from it very soon. This type of proposal may be approachable with Russia after Putin is no longer breathing. Recent photos of Putin indicate his aura is leaving his body it won’t be long. Honestly I don’t feel qualified to say whether the proposal is a good strategy or not, but it’s interesting.@sarabee1995

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

@sarabee1995 As long as Putin is alive Ukraine is not safe. Putin will break any deal. He wouldn’t make a deal anyway, to be honest.

ViciDraco · 36-40, M

These look more like terms of surrender than a peace deal. I don't see anyone accepting these.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@ViciDraco Don't all peace deals begin with one side suggesting terms of surrender?

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Stereoguy You think this is bankrupting us?? Really? By what measure?

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@Stereoguy You said this was bankrupting us? No doubt every single federal dollar spent has an impact on the economy. But AT MOST the entire Ukraine conflict might amount to a quarter of one percentage point of inflation... and that's a VERY high estimate.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@MarmeeMarch No. That's not at all what I mean.

I mean that on the ground where battles are fought there is almost zero chance of the Russian Federation winning this war by any real definition of winning.

Of course they could at anytime declare Ukraine to be de-Nazi-fied and cease hostilities. This could happen when they can no longer feed their troops or fuel their tanks, but ... oh wait ... we are already there.

They are extracting an enormous price from Ukraine in blood and treasure, but they are not winning.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@MarmeeMarch 😐

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

@MarmeeMarch Nuclear weapons have no use in defense against crazies. Nuclear weapons are to achieve balance of power with other sane state actors. Nuclear weapons cannot be tolerated in the hands of insane actors. Putin is proving himself to be such a person.

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