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Russian advances (and retreats)
since February 24

Today (18 June) the lines stand in much the same place -- small Russian gains have taken place but they would be imperceptible on this map scale.


Russia is losing this conflict and has been since the end of the first week. It's stated goals when entering Ukraine were two-fold:

1) Denazification of Ukraine, a country with a democratically elected Jewish president.

2) Demilitarization of Ukraine, a country that had one of the smallest and oldest armies in Europe (that was then; today Ukraine has one of the best equipped armies in Europe and is growing stronger every day).

Those were the stated goals, but Russia's authoritarian leader has written much in recent years about Ukraine. He claims all of Ukraine for Russia and denies Ukraine's right to exist. He seeks to rebuild the Russian empire to the former Soviet borders. And he likens himself to Peter the Great, a cruel and tyrannical dictator.

Russia is losing this conflict and for all of Europe it needs to lose this conflict. As goes Ukraine, so will go Eastern Europe.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
🇺🇦❤🇺🇸 let us pray that you are right... those of us who are fighting for this outcome, fighting Europe's war, and the war of western liberal democracy, against statist tyranny, are ready to die in the cause. many have already made the ultimate sacrifice. we have the will to fight and to win. we need the means, the weapons that will enable us to turn the tide.

don't be fooled by optimistic reporting, maps that are too vague to show the destruction. day by day, metre by metre, body by body, we are losing this war. and we are losing the opportunity to turn it around.

Ukraine's war is existential, there is no peace but victory.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@SW-User ok...
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Yulianna Yulia, my love, you see first-hand the cost your country and your people are paying in this conflict. And from your perspective up close, witnessing that cost, this must seem unwinnable, untenable, unjustifiable.

But pulling back the lens a bit, seeing it from my admittedly safe distance, I see also the cost being paid by the aggressor. Please take some small solace in knowing that they are paying an unsustainable cost right now. You are extracting a price that they cannot continue paying.

You are losing some battles, but you are not losing the war.

And you will not run out of ammunition.
tindrummer · M
@SW-User 🙄
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
It’s just unsustainable for Russia. In less than four months they’ve lost more than half of US total loses in Vietnam over twenty years. Its very unlikely they can take the country, and unlikely they can even hold what they’ve already taken. And my favorite detail, Ukraine is apparently in the history books now for being the first country without an operational navy to ever sink an enemy flagship.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Zaphod42 Lol, yes, I do like that particular little factoid myself! 🤣🤣🤣
tindrummer · M
I'm pro Ukraine and hope I'm wrong but it's likely putin's gonna win most of what he wants short term and more later 😢
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@tindrummer Only if we let him.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Not just Eastern Europe, but the world. The era of invading to acquire new territory must clearly be marked as over. Though I know the fault last largely with leadership and not the average Russian, we must see this large and powerful entity break itself upon the smaller scrappy underdog.

I will say we do need to stay vigilant. We need to continue and to strengthen our support. Yes, Russia has retreated from the North, but they have enhanced their grip on the south and have begun making gains.

This is not a fight won. It shall not be won unless Russia withdraws fully from the Ukraine. Honestly, my wish is to see Russia lose so bad it is forced to give up on Crimea as well.

Again, for the sake of the entire world this must not be seen as a valid way to acquire territory anymore. Because if it is, what might China reach for next? What if the US decided it was done playing kingmaker in countries it invaded and just started claiming them as territory again instead? How quickly would the world get divided between the superpowers of the day?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ViciDraco
The era of invading to acquire new territory must clearly be marked as over.
Agreed 100%

And you touch on what I want to see. As a member of the US Navy, I want to see a shiny new Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer make a port call in Sevastopol. But instead of seeing a sea of Ukrainians waiving little American flags for the occasion, I want to see them waiving the flag that Putin seeks to wipe from the face of the earth. 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@sarabee1995 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I printed out black and white outlines of Putin with a target on his forehead.. and set them up on an indoor range.. five shots, iron sights, standing with the results being a very tight grouping..
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@pdqsailor1 🇺🇦❤🇺🇸 thank you, from Ukraine.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Definitely not what people thought would happen when it started
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 Or this ...

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 Never mind, can't get that one to work. 🤷‍♀️
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@sarabee1995 its ok
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so... how can this conflict end ?

i dont think russia wil leave the occupied territories but i also dont think they can control them...
and at the same time i doubt ukraine would abandon them nor would theyas be able to recapture them.

so maybe a un controlled neutral zone in the donbass and in 2 years when things have cooled down have a un controlled vote where the inhabitants want to end up.
@Elessar yeah thats not gonna happen... the warcrimes needed to get a country into the state that germany or japan were after ww2 werent justifiable then and clearly arent now.
that was like a one time history that wont repeat
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SisterShadow The USSR collapsed on its own, an economically devastated Russia may quite likely go down the same path. What happens next, nobody knows.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SisterShadow
so maybe a un controlled neutral zone in the donbass and in 2 years when things have cooled down have a un controlled vote where the inhabitants want to end up.
Is this "fair" when Russia has forced the deportation of the Ukrainian residents of these areas and repopulated the areas with Russians?? Your suggestion is exactly what Russia wants and it plays precisely into their strategy (practiced for hundreds of years now) of Russification of captured territory.

The truth is that Russia (and the US and the UK and many other countries) signed the Budapest Memorandum agreeing to respect the then current boundaries of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving up it's substantial nuclear arsenal. Russia has shredded this agreement. So ... Perhaps if Russia wants the Budapest Memorandum to be non-existent, then we should station intermediate range nuclear missiles in Ukraine and let Russia keep Crimea and Donbass? Would Russia be okay with this? Budapest is either in place and the functioning document, or it is not.
Get off the crack. You say Russia gains and Russia is losing in the same breath..
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Follow along... Russia is gaining territory but losing the war. Pay attention.
@sarabee1995 ukraines doing so well. 44billion dollars wasn’t enough.. lolz
They need another billion ASAP..

But don’t worry.. russias losing.. lame stream media said so.. lolz 😁✊🏻
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout What $44B?? Are you talking about the $40B package that the US Congress approved in May?? You do realize that was not all military aid for Ukraine, right?

Even if you add all aid from all countries, I don't think Ukraine has received $44B since the Russian invasion of 24 February.

But ignoring the inaccurate numbers, yes, it takes a lot of help for a primarily agrarian country to repel an invasion by the largest country in the world.
carpediem · 61-69, M
It’s hard to ascertain winners and losers by looking at these maps. I agree Russia had a terrible strategy heading into conflict and they failed. But they regrouped. Not sure what the goal even was. I do know Ukraine has been destroyed.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@carpediem Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014 and expanded that attack in 2022 because it was threatened by Ukraine.

Ukraine's threat to Russia was not military. Russia dwarfed Ukraine militarily.

Ukraine's threat to Russia was not economic. The two countries were economically integrated quite a bit prior to Russia's invasion.

No. Ukraine's threat to Russia was cultural. Ukraine had turned westward and dared to embrace freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. It was beginning to throw off the shackles of post-Soviet Kleptocracy. And that on Russia's borders was untenable for Putin.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 They we’re never being accepted into NATO. Putin failed because NATO is now expanding due to this action. The west didn’t give a crap about Ukraine prior.

Russia put itself into a no win scenario.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@carpediem Precisely.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@OldMan70 Google knows all. 🙂
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Closing that gap is big, but it’s a long line to maintain, and quite a salient in the north. Add the advantage of defense and you’ve got quite the stalemate.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Fukfacewillie And yet, not indefinitely. And they are firing Soviet-era "dumb" artillery while Ukraine is now operating modern artillery systems that can reverse the trajectory of an artillery shell and target it's source faster than it can move.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@sarabee1995 My fear is that once Biden gets his ass handed to him Trump pulls support as the neo-fascists feel it’s safe to be outwardly pro-Putin again.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Fukfacewillie Neither of them should run again. They are both too old and yesterday's (sad) news.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@MarmeeMarch 🤦‍♀️
Are you literally trying to not get what I'm saying???
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@MarmeeMarch We were talking about communism; I gave you an example of a communist society.

You said it didn't count because they didn't have governments; I showed you they had not only a government, but an advanced (for the time) society.

I give up. Be well.

 
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