ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Who, other than you, has ever said any of those things?
It's not anything I have heard or seen in mainstream media where I am.
So I would say that what I have learnt about Western Propaganda is that it seems to be something that exists mostly in the mind of those eager to pretend that the west is some kind of monolithic, and over optimistic, block of dictatorships.
It's not anything I have heard or seen in mainstream media where I am.
So I would say that what I have learnt about Western Propaganda is that it seems to be something that exists mostly in the mind of those eager to pretend that the west is some kind of monolithic, and over optimistic, block of dictatorships.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ninalanyon ursula von der leyen said with a straight face that Russia was taking chips out of washing machines to put into missile guidance systems.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow That's not quite the same thing as "The Russian people are ready to revolt."
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ninalanyon That is another claim that gets tossed around about once a month too.
are you suggesting its a marker of strength to predict a war will take a few months, then draw it out for yesrs? to throw their tanks into the path of explosives as a sign of their power? that outfitting troops with bicycles and quaker guns or airrifles is because they just need that segment of their population to be dead? if it is, so many people have fallen hard for this cunning ploy.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
That's funny cos iran hit a US site in Qatar just today or yesterday
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell I don't know your point. Iran probably made sure there were no casualties on purpose. There was news speaking on it and they said they struck back to what they saw was equal fitting to what America done. Which means that there could be more that Iran could do but they chose not to as Iran was just doing what the United States did to them of equal fairness.
And if they said that then I'd assume they have more where that came from.
I don't want war, it's you and Maga cultists that seem to want that but don't assume anything about no country. That's a mistake.
And if they said that then I'd assume they have more where that came from.
I don't want war, it's you and Maga cultists that seem to want that but don't assume anything about no country. That's a mistake.
Jokersswild · 22-25
@SatanBurger @Thinkerbell Dr. John Mearsheimer, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, made a good point: if you want to determine who won a war, you must first examine the objectives. Since Israel was the aggressor, their stated goals define the standard of success.
Objective 1: Destroy Iran’s nuclear program.
This objective has clearly failed. Iran still maintains several functioning nuclear facilities. Iran's only nuclear power plant, Bushehr, is fully operational and according to Putin, there's are contracts to build 2 more Nuclear power plants, that will ceratinly use Uranium enriched in Iran. Despite Trump’s claim that Iran’s nuclear capability was “obliterated,” the fact is Iran moved its 60% enriched uranium out of harm’s way. And this is evident because there was no radioactive fallout. The uranium didn’t just vanish.
Also, many of Iran’s centrifuges were relocated, a process that started in March. Moreover, there is no credible evidence that the Fordow facility was destroyed. It’s buried deep in a mountain, the mountain is very much intact, and according to Iran, only the entrances and exits were hit.
The kicker is Iran has now reportedly expelled the IAEA and may be withdrawing from the NPT entirely. So, far from being decimated, their program is more defiant and more active than before.
Objective 2: Trigger internal revolt or regime change.
That plan backfired. Not only did they fail to turn the Iranian population against the Iranian government, the Israeli and U.S. actions have unified them against external enemies. Across Iran, people poured into the streets. They weren't chanting for regime change, but chanting “Death to Israel” and “Death to America.”
Objective 3: Force an unconditional surrender.
Trump claimed that the U.S. and Israel would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender. That was never going to happen. As Mearsheimer pointed out, no country has ever surrendered as a result of an air campaign alone. We couldn't achieve it in Iraq or Syria without boots on the ground, and neither could Israel, even with U.S. support.
When you measure the results against the objectives, it becomes clear: Israel lost this war.
Objective 1: Destroy Iran’s nuclear program.
This objective has clearly failed. Iran still maintains several functioning nuclear facilities. Iran's only nuclear power plant, Bushehr, is fully operational and according to Putin, there's are contracts to build 2 more Nuclear power plants, that will ceratinly use Uranium enriched in Iran. Despite Trump’s claim that Iran’s nuclear capability was “obliterated,” the fact is Iran moved its 60% enriched uranium out of harm’s way. And this is evident because there was no radioactive fallout. The uranium didn’t just vanish.
Also, many of Iran’s centrifuges were relocated, a process that started in March. Moreover, there is no credible evidence that the Fordow facility was destroyed. It’s buried deep in a mountain, the mountain is very much intact, and according to Iran, only the entrances and exits were hit.
The kicker is Iran has now reportedly expelled the IAEA and may be withdrawing from the NPT entirely. So, far from being decimated, their program is more defiant and more active than before.
Objective 2: Trigger internal revolt or regime change.
That plan backfired. Not only did they fail to turn the Iranian population against the Iranian government, the Israeli and U.S. actions have unified them against external enemies. Across Iran, people poured into the streets. They weren't chanting for regime change, but chanting “Death to Israel” and “Death to America.”
Objective 3: Force an unconditional surrender.
Trump claimed that the U.S. and Israel would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender. That was never going to happen. As Mearsheimer pointed out, no country has ever surrendered as a result of an air campaign alone. We couldn't achieve it in Iraq or Syria without boots on the ground, and neither could Israel, even with U.S. support.
When you measure the results against the objectives, it becomes clear: Israel lost this war.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Jokersswild Excellent comment.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
The Iran "regime" will just crumble! Zionism is very good and nice and people aren't angry!
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Thinkerbell
Yes, Ellie, old folks like you tend to have a very bad memory, as Hur correctly reported.
Yes, Ellie, old folks like you tend to have a very bad memory, as Hur correctly reported.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell asks
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I urge you to see a neurologist about your failing memory, stinker.
Soon you will be a Tяumpesque jaw-flapping vegetable. 😯
that Iran would not have been working on a spherically symmetric implosion detonator
Because it's the kind of activity that's hard to keep hidden from sensors like spy satellites and seismic detectors (Iran has dozens).[media=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mahmoud-Soroush/publication/360382177/figure/fig1/AS:1167782112690179@1655432360389/Map-of-seismicity-and-seismic-stations-of-Iran-All-earthquakes-with-location-depth-and.png]
"On 8 January 2020, five days after the airstrike [that killed Soleimani], Iran launched a series of missile attacks on U.S. forces
Yep, they shoot back when they've been hit. And that incident culminated in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps shooting down a civilian airliner, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, causing 176 deaths. The IRGC can be rather bloodthirsty. Or had you forgotten??I urge you to see a neurologist about your failing memory, stinker.
Soon you will be a Tяumpesque jaw-flapping vegetable. 😯
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell Another thing your failing memory prevented you from responding to:
Adding to that:
OOPS
The Pentagon chief and Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Dan Caine, in a Sunday morning press conference, said the three nuclear sites sustained “severe damage,” but that it was too soon to assess whether Iran still possessed nuclear capabilities.
Adding to that:
US President Donald Trump lashes out at Israel and Iran, using an expletive as he accuses both sides of violating the ceasefire
Where is Iran's missing 880lbs of uranium? Ayatollah may have moved enough to build nukes before Trump struck
Senior Trump administration officials conceded they do not know the fate of Iran's 880 pounds of near-bomb-grade uranium, which appears to have been moved ahead of the American airstrike.
'We are going to work in the coming weeks to ensure that we do something with that fuel and that's one of the things that we're going to have conversations with the Iranians about,' Vice President JD Vance told ABC's This Week on Sunday.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme leader of Iran, claims he moved the country's uranium stockpile to a secret location before President Donald Trump's attack on three nuclear sites, Iranian state media reported.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14839869/Where-Irans-missing-880lbs-uranium.htmlSenior Trump administration officials conceded they do not know the fate of Iran's 880 pounds of near-bomb-grade uranium, which appears to have been moved ahead of the American airstrike.
'We are going to work in the coming weeks to ensure that we do something with that fuel and that's one of the things that we're going to have conversations with the Iranians about,' Vice President JD Vance told ABC's This Week on Sunday.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme leader of Iran, claims he moved the country's uranium stockpile to a secret location before President Donald Trump's attack on three nuclear sites, Iranian state media reported.
OOPS
dubum · 51-55, M
There can only be 1 ruler in the world.
United States wants it to be them. Won't let China / Russia and their partner block the way.
United States wants it to be them. Won't let China / Russia and their partner block the way.
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BizSuitStacy · M
@SatanBurger Have you figured out how to spell "hearsay" yet? Or even understand the definition, DingdongBurger?
Jokersswild · 22-25
@BizSuitStacy Her statement of accurate...
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