"Russia is weak. It’s just a gas station with nukes. Russia is losing badly. Russia is running out of missiles. Russian people are ready to revolt.”

@SatanBurger

After giving plenty of notice when and where the face-saving "hit" was coming.

No American deaths and minimal damage.

"Even as Iran prepared to target an American air base in Qatar earlier in the day, there were signs that the country was looking for an off-ramp from confrontation with the United States. Iranian officials and Mr. Trump said Iran had given advance notice that the missile strike was coming, minimizing potential casualties.

Mr. Trump said that 13 of the 14 Iranian missiles fired at Al Udeid had been downed, that no Americans there had been killed or wounded and that the damage was minimal. He also suggested that the fight, at least between the United States and Iran, might be over."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/23/world/iran-trump-israel-news#82bf4cc2-e1b6-52cf-be4f-18c58b88975c

@Thinkerbell I don't know your point. Iran probably made sure there were no casualties on purpose. There was news speaking on it and they said they struck back to what they saw was equal fitting to what America done. Which means that there could be more that Iran could do but they chose not to as Iran was just doing what the United States did to them of equal fairness.

And if they said that then I'd assume they have more where that came from.

I don't want war, it's you and Maga cultists that seem to want that but don't assume anything about no country. That's a mistake.

@SatanBurger @Thinkerbell Dr. John Mearsheimer, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, made a good point: if you want to determine who won a war, you must first examine the objectives. Since Israel was the aggressor, their stated goals define the standard of success.

Objective 1: Destroy Iran’s nuclear program.

This objective has clearly failed. Iran still maintains several functioning nuclear facilities. Iran's only nuclear power plant, Bushehr, is fully operational and according to Putin, there's are contracts to build 2 more Nuclear power plants, that will ceratinly use Uranium enriched in Iran. Despite Trump’s claim that Iran’s nuclear capability was “obliterated,” the fact is Iran moved its 60% enriched uranium out of harm’s way. And this is evident because there was no radioactive fallout. The uranium didn’t just vanish.

Also, many of Iran’s centrifuges were relocated, a process that started in March. Moreover, there is no credible evidence that the Fordow facility was destroyed. It’s buried deep in a mountain, the mountain is very much intact, and according to Iran, only the entrances and exits were hit.

The kicker is Iran has now reportedly expelled the IAEA and may be withdrawing from the NPT entirely. So, far from being decimated, their program is more defiant and more active than before.

Objective 2: Trigger internal revolt or regime change.

That plan backfired. Not only did they fail to turn the Iranian population against the Iranian government, the Israeli and U.S. actions have unified them against external enemies. Across Iran, people poured into the streets. They weren't chanting for regime change, but chanting “Death to Israel” and “Death to America.”

Objective 3: Force an unconditional surrender.

Trump claimed that the U.S. and Israel would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender. That was never going to happen. As Mearsheimer pointed out, no country has ever surrendered as a result of an air campaign alone. We couldn't achieve it in Iraq or Syria without boots on the ground, and neither could Israel, even with U.S. support.

When you measure the results against the objectives, it becomes clear: Israel lost this war.

@Jokersswild Excellent comment.