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Gaza is at a point of no return

85% of the population is in 5th stage of malnutrition. That's just over half a million. This stage is irreversible even if food became available in the future. We're talking brain damage/cognitive impairment, permanent changes in their DNA and of course death.

The worst thing about it? It’s engineered. A deliberate starvation campaign to punish every man, woman, and child in Gaza. None of this is inevitable. Just a mile away, trucks loaded with food sit idle at the border, denied entry by the IDF and violent settlers. All aid being withheld, a man-made famine, enforced with cruelty.

As a south asian who's ancestors suffered multiple intentional famines, I can tell you the impact of it in multiple generations. We suffer from diabetes and cardiovascular diseases at a much higher rate to this day. I can't believe we've let this happen again. Even with the world calling to save Palestine, it hasn't made any difference. I have no words
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IamBack · 31-35, M Best Comment
You can imagine how it feels for a Palestinian whose grandfather and father were displaced out of Palestine in 1948, still witnessing this being done to his people with the neighboring countries being even more complicit than the US and the UK ❤‍🩹

It’s not a world I want to live in anymore tbh
@IamBack I'm sorry. The world has failed the children of Gaza. Your family and you deserved better💙

basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
As a south asian who's ancestors suffered multiple intentional famines, I can tell you the impact of it in multiple generations.

While I'm not South Asian, as a descendant on my mom's side of family who had leave Ireland and Scotland due to the Famine and Highland Clearances, I can relate.
@basilfawlty89 it doesn't surprise me why Ireland support Palestine so heavily
@basilfawlty89 In some ways I think our ancestors handled it better. With the Highland Clearances even English civilians saw it as wrong and confronted British soldiers to try and stop it and such standoffs made the broadsheets of the day.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow somewhat.

In the case of Cromwell, An Gorta Mór, and the Easter Uprising they were horrifically brutal. They burned down half of Corcaigh. And the English were not kind during The Troubles, nor were the Ulster Protestant paramilitaries.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I realize that people here do not want to read anything that actually discusses genocide and what that really is, and how important the situation in Gaza is to resolve. This was the editorial in the NY Times yesterday. Those of you who are of the persuasion to spew hate against a religion, will say that the Times was owned by a member of that region, and that it tends to be leftist, just do not read this. I am purposely leaving out the catch phrase that is currently being used by POTUS to advance an agenda of his, to take over all education so the radicals can determine what everyone reads, hears and learns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinion/no-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Y08.vXml.WrEwx7Q8yxBh&smid=url-share

You can also read the response from Al Jazeera to get the other viewpoint
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/7/23/yes-the-new-york-times-is-committing-genocidal-journalism

Somehow we need to get beyond this and get to truce, a just truce ion which Israel is assured its existence and something is done to help Gaza, which for many centuries has been treated differently than any other Arab territory, sorry for the use of that term, but it is the only one i can find that seems to describe its unique place.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2 how long was Dresden bombed? Were they denied aid? Were civilian shelters bombed?

If there were no invasion on Oct 6 there would not have been the kind of war

"If my wife didn't insult me, I wouldn't have to viciously beat her"
Classic victim blaming.

"genocide" your term

No, a term coined by Rafael Lemkin, and a crime recognised by the UN, the Hague, etc.
Nice scare quotes btw, that's what Turkish nationalists do when referring to the Armenian Genocide.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 I have had enough, you are unlikely to ever alter my opinion. You are using logic that makes no sense.

By the way, what about the way the Afrikaners treated the indigenous races?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2
Lol, cute one trying to bring up Afrikaners.
Apartheid was an absolutely appalling crine against humanity (Israel is doing that now, you should talk to them about it).

Small problem with your little "gotcha".
I'm not an Afrikaner.
My father's side is Indigenous Mexican.
My mother's side is Irish and Highland Scottish.

Whoopsie-doodle!
BabyDolls · 22-25, T
although im not from asian descent or anything of sort this hits a lot closer to home than it should and it hurts, im truly devastated, ive done multiple campaigns to raise money and worked with countless charities to aid the Palestinians. this is truly
heartbreaking
@BabyDolls it is. I wish more could be done
BabyDolls · 22-25, T
@HijabaDabbaDoo if only more could be done
Straylight · 31-35, F
And people who point to Hamas need to realize that they got less than 50% of the vote that put them in power. Considering the age distribution, that means less than 10% of the current population alive now have actively voted for them.

But even if they had 100% support from Palestinians, the idea that hamas could just stop it if they really wanted to is not a counter argument to attempting genocide. There is no counter argument, no gotcha moment, and no moral justification to what’s happening in Gaza.
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 no, of course not, but that is twisted history, like Russia claiming Ukraine threatened it. Ti be genocide, it must be an attempt to eliminate an entire religion, ethnic, etc. I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be an expert, this post is not about that, it is about our opinions, and those should be based on what has been happening. AGAIN, THE POINT IS THAT THE WAR MUST STOP, as is the case in Ukraine and in other hotspots.
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I knew it was an atrocity but I wasn't aware it was on this scale!

What will people think of us in 20 years time for having casual, civil debates about a genocide?
This world has been given so much time to rethink brutality, so many chances to witness it and understand its horror, and still, we haven't.

I also have no words.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I do not condone the killing of innocent citizens. But, Hamas still has kidnapped Israelis and others, started this conflict and could end it in a moment. War is hell, it always results in civilian deaths. At some point though, people have surrender and stop the war
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@HijabaDabbaDoo you are projecting now. You are predictably defending the slaughter of almost 2,09 innocent lives done in the name of genocide, the avowed desire to kill all Jews.

I stated that the killings are horrible and indefensible in today's times. I do not condone all of Israel's actions. If I did not make that clear, I hope it is now clear. I also am not a Zionist as in any desire to extend territory. If believing that Israel has the right to exist is your definition of a Zionist, then you can call me such. Do you deny that Israel has a right to exist? If we are to have a truly rational discussion let us clearly delineate where we stand!
GoldenOldie · 31-35, M
@samueltyler2 @HijabaDabbaDoo

Samuel,

October 6; it was October 7.

Here is a conservative estimate of the number of deaths: this matches the estimates of multiple sources. The true figure won’t be known until the genocide ends. Doubtlessly bodies will be uncovered in shallow graves etc

“Israel's war on Gaza has killed at least 59,106 people and wounded 142,511. An estimated 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the October 7, 2023 attacks and more than 200 taken captive.2 days ago”

War is horrible; genocide is evil. There is a difference between hamas and the civilians. Innocent children are dying, starving etc. Aid is being stopped, refugee camps bombarded with minutes of warning. It’s a genocide.

Killing is always wrong. Yes I agree. You have to admit that; 59,106 and 1,139 are two very different numbers. Every death is a tragedy.

The genocide needs to stop. The war-crimes need to be prosecuted. The Palestinians need a safe homeland.
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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
An interview with an ACTUAL genocide scholar who happens to be Israeli and Jewish.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/20/world/video/gps0720-israel-gaza-genocide

Yes, it's genocide.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2 the word was coined by Lemkin to refer to the mass murder of the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks by the Ottoman Turks, and then the subsequent murder of European Jews in the Holocaust.

Genos (Greek) - people
Cide (Latin) - murder

Yes, the word is important as it is defined as "the mass murder of a racial, ethnic, or religious group with the goal of destroying them wholly or in part"

Genocide is a crime.
Genocide has consequences.
So yes, it is important.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 And killing tens of thousands? Come on, it is a case only of semantics. THE WARS must end.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2 no, it's not semantics.

Genocide does not mean "lots of people died and stuff", it has a very specific meaning.

If you need help with it, we have lots of Greek members on SW that can oblige you seeing as their ancestors suffered that atrocity by the Ottoman Turks and Mustafa Kemal's nationalists.
Katie01 · F
If it makes you feel any better, just think of it as pest control
BabyDolls · 22-25, T
@Katie01 that’s wrong
@Katie01
Ambroseguy80 · 56-60, M
Sadly, history does repeat itself. 🤗
@Ambroseguy80 What do you mean? 🤗
ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
Religious beliefs or Politics ! = Starvation of a civilian population is a war crime, a crime against humanity, and/or an act of genocide according to modern international criminal law.



south asian ! I always believed you were of Pakistan ancestry
I would say the so called West has now lost even the right to the pretense of moral superiority.
exchrist · 31-35
Its out of control why is America letting IDF commit such atrocity? Isreal needs to experience consequences
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