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Hamas, UNRWA and the Holocaust

GAZA, Aug. 31 2009 (Xinhua News Agency ) -- The Islamic Hamas movement and the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA) argued on Monday over the inclusion into the curriculum of UNRWA preparatory schools a course on human rights that speaks about the "Jewish Holocaust."

UNRWA educates some 200,000 refugee children aged between 6 and15 in the densely populated Gaza Strip, which has been ruled by Hamas since it routed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' security forces and seized control of the enclave in June 2007.

A course of human rights for the 14-year-old children of eighth grade in schools run by UNRWA in Gaza angered Hamas when it talked about the Jewish Holocaust.

The Popular Committee of Palestinian refugees, a pro-Hamas group in the Gaza Strip, severely slammed the UNRWA and demanded it to "immediately" erase the part that speaks about the Holocaust from the Palestinian pupils' curriculum.

The committee sent a letter to the chief of the UNRWA office on Sunday, calling on the UN relief organization to erase the Holocaust subject from the human rights books.

Husam Ahmed, the Popular Committee's coordinator in the Gaza Strip said the material, which is included in the human rights subject, "was formed in a way that shows sympathy with the Jews." He warned of having an attitude "to construct a generation that supports the Jews and the Holocaust" in the Palestinian territories.

Ahmed warned that "if UNRWA ignores our demand, we will organize protests, rallies and demonstrations that are allowed by the law."

"We call on UNRWA to erase the subject ... and stop any future attempt to insert strange concepts or cultures that contradict with the Palestinian values, traditions and principles," said the committee's letter.

"We are against it because those who added the subject to the curriculum aim at playing with the feelings and thoughts of our children," said the pro-Hamas popular committees' letter.

Meanwhile, the interior ministry of Hamas de facto government in Gaza said in a statement that "it expresses astonishment because UNRWA curriculum is talking about the Jewish Holocaust."

"We reject teaching our pupils such thoughts that contradicts with our Palestinian beliefs," said the interior ministry statement, which called on the ministry of education "to check if such news is right."

Meanwhile, UNRWA denied that it teaches the Holocaust in preparatory schools and also denied that the Holocaust is included in the pupils' curriculum.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
I've seen interviews with grade school children in Gaza that all say the are taught to hate Jews in school.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@SW-User
No
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Shadyglow · F
@HoraceGreenley yeah right
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
There is a movement in the US that doesn't want to "upset" children by teaching them about it. Another theory, you have to teach both sides of all stories, so allow holocaust deniers a chance
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BohemianBabe I don't think democracy would have come to Russia. Their track record for tolerating other societies was not great, except they did participate in the intermarriage thing among other European sovereigns.
@samueltyler2 Generally, democracy leads to prosperity, and prosperity leads to more tolerance. It is extra hard to build democracy in Russia because it's such a large country with such a large population, but it's possible. I'm hoping that if Russia loses this war to Ukraine, Putin is ousted, and the people demand democratic control of the government. That's pretty much what happened in Italy.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BohemianBabe we all thought that is as happens by when the USSR dissolved. We thought St Petersburg was like any city in the US when we were there.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Nothing from either Hamas or Beijing would surprise me.

I know it is presently pre-occupied with trying to destroy Israel (it has never made that a secret); and I don't think Israel's understandable response is right; yet I wonder when Hamas and their supporters will say anything about China's pogrom against the Uyghurs. After all, these are fellow Muslims but are no threat to anyone, yet are under attack from a powerful government intent on destroying their culture simply for being the Muslim, Uyghur culture.

Indeed, it was Western journalists based in a nominally-Christian, highly-ecumenical and politically secular, "Western" nation who first revealed that to the world. Not the Iranians or Saudis.

To be fair to Hamas, if that's possible, what's happening to the Moslems in China seems not noticed by Iran or Saudi Arabia either. I would add Pakistan and Afghanistan but as next-door neighbours to China's stolen lands of Tibet, they've stronger reasons not to upset the delicate little souls in Beijing.

All five countries' rulers are not only despots, they probably also have no love for the country called Israel, or the Jews, at all. Yet what love can there be between anti-religious China, the four vicious theocracies and the utterly inhumane Hamas? Even Saudi Arabia and Iran are not good friends. Their only thing in common is despising "The West" and its values, and they see Israel as part of "The West", perhaps due to being friends with their common enemy, the USA.

They are as bad as each other.


It took me a while to work out what Hamas is trying to achieve, if Beijing reported it accurately; as it might have done here, even if selectively. I think that by playing Devil's Advocate, trying to see it from Hamas' and China's perspective.

I decided that essentially, Hamas wants no-one to have any sympathy for the Jews, no-one to understand them and their history; no-one to understand why the nation called "Israel" was carved out of Palestine (which it was, by the League of Nations, as a sort of recompense to the massacre the post-WW2 Jews themselves named 'The Holocaust'). It wants everyone to see the Jews only as enemies.

A position no doubt suiting Xi Jinping and his cronies, whom we won't mention all the while showing their own utter contempt for the Islamic culture within a very remote region of China. Just as their predecessors showed utter contempt for the Tibetan, mainly-Buddhist, culture.

A dirty business all round.
Who wins? No-one - at least, not in any sensible, constructive ways.
Who loses? All those Jews, Arabs and Christians who simply want to live in peace amongst each other.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
Public education is a sort of double edge sword. I grew up in a system that taught me why the commies were bad while some kid in Russia grew up learning why I was. Then we used other people to kill each other to prove why neither of us was right! Confusing...? Yeah, I thought so too!
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Yep!
How is it that these kinds of posts about Palestine always bring out the crazies? Never fails. The same thing happens when people criticize Trump. You get a whole pack of the MAGA crowd hurling insults and using foul language. Never fails.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@helenS none in real life! but, certain mistakes Israel made were more upsetting than others. Some were really surprising, and upsetting. The entire annexation thing of the west bank settlers was a glaring error, the other the handling of the Bedouins.
helenS · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2 I think the Israelis weren't really nice to the Negev Bedouins.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@helenS they did to them what the White US did to the indigenous people.
Disciplinarian · 61-69, M
So good to expose the truth of an agency that follows the nihilistHamas ethos or gives tacit endorsement, well, even electricity to their terror tunnels.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Disciplinarian Yes UNRWA provided a Hamas computer room with electricity; the room was located immediately under a UNRWA server room.
Hamas rewrites a lot of history. It's Orwellian.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@flipper1966 Listen to the US republicans talk about the first US Civil War. Sure was a war over their right to live the way they wanted, they wanted to own slaves!
Shadyglow · F
well regardless of curriculum many lives would have been saved if Israel hadn't made sure none were left standing.

When Israel bombs a school is that their way of telling the world about the Holocaust?

Or are they simply telling themselves why the holocaust has DESTROYED Judaism entirely?
Disciplinarian · 61-69, M
@CorvusBlackthorne You say you are not a Western anti-Israeli, so how would you define yourself on this point? If you don't recognise the right of Israel to exist, then I place you among those I will not debate with further. Your are not interested in the inconvenient fact that Hamas model themselves on the Algerian Islamists of the 1950s to bring on civilian casualties, yet it is deeply relevant, as you view Israel as an occupier. Of course 1000s of innocent people will tragically die if Hamas fights among them. That is the war they started, which they can stop by surrendering.. FYI Israel fully withdrew from Gaza in 2006 only to get 32,000 Islamist rockets and numerous suicide bombs in return. Have you any better solution while Hamas remain in power?
helenS · 36-40, F
@Disciplinarian Bravo!!! 👍🏽 🌷 🇮🇱
@Disciplinarian
You say you are not a Western anti-Israeli, so how would you define yourself on this point?
I recognize the right of all humans to exist. Or no humans. There is no in between. I recognize Israel and Palestine. I do not approve of the genocide currently being carried out by the Israeli military.
SW-User
UNRWA has become a leading spokesperson for HAMAS. And the UN is a joke. It could not bring itself to call HAMAS a terrorist organisation. What is the point of the UN and longer?!
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SW-User I refuse to give up on the UN, but, there is a clear bias against Israel, and the obvious reason, is that there is an underlying antisemitism that refuses to go away!
Puppycat23 · F
And now UNRWA is in serious trouble after those allegations that some of their workers took part in October 7th.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Puppycat23 Without UNRWA Hamas would not be in power.
Puppycat23 · F
@helenS That’s good. From what’s been found UNRWA is corrupt and allowed mamy people from people with connections to Hamas to Hamas sympathizers to work in that company.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Puppycat23 It's also true in a deeper sense, not only on a personal level. UNRWA provide Gaza with food, so the government (= Hamas) does not have to take care of that, the build up of a working economy is not necessary – Hamas can build tunnels, rockets and suicide bombs instead. Even Israel is responsible, to a degree, because they provide Gaza with water and electricity.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Now we know that many are card carrying Hamas members, even participated in the slaughter of people in October!
helenS · 36-40, F
@SW-User Yes it's not been my intention to criticize you, I just wanted to add some aspects which I think are important.
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helenS · 36-40, F
@SW-User 🌷
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
"We reject teaching our pupils such thoughts that contradicts with our Palestinian beliefs," said the interior ministry statement, which called on the ministry of education "to check if such news is right."

Imagine making the Holocaust a matter of "belief," when there's all this physical evidence that is right there.
Slade · 56-60, M
Leftism is all about spreading power throughout society. Conservatism is the opposite, it's about consolidating power in a hierarchical way.

This may easily be the stupidest thing I've ever seen
@Slade Who said that bit of craziness?
Slade · 56-60, M
@LamontCranston somebody quoted someone I must have blocked
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Bumbles · 51-55, M
Jihad Zakarneh, the deputy education minister in the West Bank, said teaching Palestinian children about the Holocaust has to wait until there is a peace agreement with Israel.

Nothing can interfere with the leftist narrative, however.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Bumbles Do you know when he said that?
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@helenS

https://web.archive.org/web/20180119235054/https://www.newsday.com/news/world/un-caught-in-gaza-dispute-over-study-of-holocaust-1.1430963

Laub, Karin (September 8, 2009). "UN caught in Gaza dispute over study of Holocaust". Newsday. Gaza City, Gaza Strip. Associated Press. Archived from the original on January 19, 2018.
helenS · 36-40, F
@Bumbles Those pupils who were 14 in 2009, are now 28-year-old Hamas fighters. Hamas and UNRWA – complicity.
ArtieKat · M
Interesting research, Helen
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novaguy2u · 70-79, M
Astonishing!
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@helenS I must have misunderstood. Sorry.
helenS · 36-40, F
@LordShadowfire I changed the title of my post, and removed the sarcasm. Thank you.
This sounds like something which is coming out of Harvard.
helenS · 36-40, F
@LamontCranston "Does Calling for the Genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules of bullying and harassment? Yes or no?” (Representative Elise Stefanik, Republican of New York, Dec. 5)

“It can be, depending on the context. ” (Dr. Claudine Gay, President of Harvard University)

“So, the answer is yes?" (Elise Stefanik)

“Again, it depends on the context.” (Dr. Gay)
@helenS This exchange has become almost as famous in a short time as The Dog in the Nighttime exchange in Silver Blaze. and more notorious.
Inspector Gregory: “Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?”
Sherlock Holmes: “To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.”
Gregory: “The dog did nothing in the night-time.”
Holmes: “That was the curious incident.”
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
So showing that ALL Palestinians are TERRORISTS in the making
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BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@SW-User ... tut tut and count to 3
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@BritishFailedAesthetic, if you would direct your attention to this post, please?
And people wonder why we want to outlaw religion.
@NativePortlander1970 Could it have something to do with the water in Portland, where they have mostly peaceful demonstrations attempting to burn down the federal courthouse?

Remember that the greatest mass murders in history were committed by atheists, you know, like Stalin and Mao.
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@NativePortlander1970 Forgive me for declining your opening suggestion, well-meant i'm sure.
But your numbers are way off and you are an intolerant hater.

This comment and the two before, which look weird in isolation, were in response to a now deleted (by commenter NativePortlander1970) who also deleted reply to my second comment.

 
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