You know when Jesus on the cross asked God why he had forsaken him...
Is that cause he had to lose all hope to truly die for us?
No, because Jesus IS Hope. Jesus didn't lose hope at all. He knew he WAS the hope the world needed. He knew His Father had not abandoned Him nor forsaken Him. It was just that at the time of Jesus' death, that since His Father could not look upon sin, God the Father had to turn his face away, while Jesus was on the cross bearing the sins of the whole world. Jesus was only stating that it felt like God had forsaken him at that time, but He knew His Father had not. So when Jesus cried out, “Why have you forsaken me?” it was because He was experiencing an interruption in His relationship with God the Father that they had never before experienced. Not a breaking of the relationship. Jesus was completely alone in His suffering. He knew ahead of time that he would have to suffer this alone.
The Father did not cease to love the Son, but the comforts of the Father's love were beyond the Savior's reach at that moment. And then God the Father resurrected Jesus from the dead, later on.
The Father did not cease to love the Son, but the comforts of the Father's love were beyond the Savior's reach at that moment. And then God the Father resurrected Jesus from the dead, later on.
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@Matt85 That lump in the throat is the Holy Spirit speaking to your heart. The same one people get when they feel convicted by the Holy Spirit to ask Jesus to come into their heart and life as their personal Savior and to forgive them of their sins. Which he does and loves to do, without hesitation.
That verse is also found in Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”
So my point is, I find it hard to believe, that Jesus in so much agony and suffering, was mindful enough at that point of death, to be quoting any particular scripture, but rather, crying out from his agony, from his heart.
So my point is, I find it hard to believe, that Jesus in so much agony and suffering, was mindful enough at that point of death, to be quoting any particular scripture, but rather, crying out from his agony, from his heart.
@Matt85 I think everyone does Matt and we should because our sins are what sent him to the cross. However.... Jesus loved us so much that he wanted to do this for us. He wanted to save us and in fact he volunteered to do so, knowing what the consequences were. We didn't deserve for Jesus to save us but he did it out of love for us and he proved that on the cross. He showed us that while we are sinners, he still loved us enough to die for us and save us from the consequences and condemnation that sin placed on us. A contrite heart is a beautiful heart. A natural response and shows that we actually do have a heart for Jesus. I know he loves and appreciates that in you. I can't tell you how many times I have cried because of what Jesus had to suffer, while some are hard-hearted and hate him. But Jesus forgave us and that shows what a beautiful loving heart He has. It shows that you have the most beautiful heart because when the Holy Spirit speaks to our heart about Jesus, it shows God exactly where our heart is and our sorrow at his death and suffering. If we did not feel sorrowful about that, I don't think that would be normal, as it shows that we feel convicted of our sins when the Holy Spirit speaks to our heart, and therefore this is exactly what draws us to ask for forgiveness from Jesus. So that is really necessary. Jesus didn't even get mad at those who nailed him to the cross. This really shows his loving character because he said Father forgive them, for they know not what they do, and he was speaking of his enemies at the time.
Einstein did not believe in God. He said, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
4meAndyou · F
Jesus didn't want to die painfully...because, when all is said and done, He was a man. He was the Son of Man, as He liked to call Himself. Subject to fear and pain...but obedient to the will of His Father till the end.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, He prayed, and asked that this cup be taken from Him, but He also said to the Father, that His will was more important than that of His Son, Jesus. "THY will...not mine."
In His last extremity, Jesus DID cry out, because He hoped against hope that His Father would change His mind. At the moment before He died, Jesus displayed His humanity and weakness. Jesus could not have died if He were not human.
His Father, God, was so distraught and angry that He caused the valley of the Temple to be split in two, but He had promised to save us all, through the intercession of His only begotten Son. He could NOT undo the sacrifice...or all of us would be lost for eternity.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, He prayed, and asked that this cup be taken from Him, but He also said to the Father, that His will was more important than that of His Son, Jesus. "THY will...not mine."
In His last extremity, Jesus DID cry out, because He hoped against hope that His Father would change His mind. At the moment before He died, Jesus displayed His humanity and weakness. Jesus could not have died if He were not human.
His Father, God, was so distraught and angry that He caused the valley of the Temple to be split in two, but He had promised to save us all, through the intercession of His only begotten Son. He could NOT undo the sacrifice...or all of us would be lost for eternity.
May I ask you, what state are you from?
@exexec Correct. I briefly got that book mixed up with another.
A careful examination of the authorship, shows they span a period of many centuries. The oldest psalm in the collection is probably the prayer of Moses (90), a reflection on the frailty of man as compared to the eternity of God. The latest psalm is probably (137), a song of lament clearly written during the days when the Hebrews were being held captive by the Babylonians, from about 586 to 538 B.C.
A careful examination of the authorship, shows they span a period of many centuries. The oldest psalm in the collection is probably the prayer of Moses (90), a reflection on the frailty of man as compared to the eternity of God. The latest psalm is probably (137), a song of lament clearly written during the days when the Hebrews were being held captive by the Babylonians, from about 586 to 538 B.C.
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TrashCat · M
@hippyjoe1955 There's our resident loon 😂
Ephesians 4:29:
As an atheist, I'm free of the shackles written in bronze aged manuscripts. As a so-called "Christian you are beholden so practice your faith, needle nose 😃
Ephesians 4:29:
[quote]“Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."
[/quote]As an atheist, I'm free of the shackles written in bronze aged manuscripts. As a so-called "Christian you are beholden so practice your faith, needle nose 😃
SnailTeeth · 36-40, M
TrashCat · M
Its obvious that when someone jotted down these stories, they didn't expect the average IQ to rise above room temperature
Prisoner1972 · 51-55, M
I am Catholic so I'm saying this from an anti-Christian point of view. This is what an agnostic told me: "Jesus died for your sins on a Friday. And rose again on Sunday. So technically Jesus didn't die for your sins. He gave up a weekend for your sins." I was really angry when he said that. But I couldn't argue with that.
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SW-User
There are a lot of theories from a lot of scholars on this and I still don’t know what I believe.
Prisoner1972 · 51-55, M
Maybe that was the act of Yaldaboth, the bumbling and malicious creator god who created this imperfect world, according to Gnosticism.
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