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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DocSavage It's almost a complete waste of time to discuss the ancient Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale with people who get their beliefs from silly Hollywood movies and con men preachers. If they ever read the damn thing and comprehended what they read and still wanted to believe it, that would be a different thing.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Budwick
So, since the Bible is not wrong, you are in complete agreement with this passage=
2 Esdras 6:55-59 (Common English Bible)
55 “I have said all these things before you, Lord, because you have said that you created the oldest age[a] for our sake. 56 You have said that the other nations born of Adam are nothing, that they are like spit, and you have compared their abundance to a drop from a pitcher. 57 But look now, Lord! These nations that are valued as nothing rule over us and devour us, 58 while we, your people, whom you have called your oldest offspring, your one and only child, those who are zealous for you, your dearest ones, are handed over to them. 59 If the world was created for our sake, why don’t we possess our world as an inheritance? How long will this situation last?”
The Bible is not wrong.
So, since the Bible is not wrong, you are in complete agreement with this passage=
2 Esdras 6:55-59 (Common English Bible)
55 “I have said all these things before you, Lord, because you have said that you created the oldest age[a] for our sake. 56 You have said that the other nations born of Adam are nothing, that they are like spit, and you have compared their abundance to a drop from a pitcher. 57 But look now, Lord! These nations that are valued as nothing rule over us and devour us, 58 while we, your people, whom you have called your oldest offspring, your one and only child, those who are zealous for you, your dearest ones, are handed over to them. 59 If the world was created for our sake, why don’t we possess our world as an inheritance? How long will this situation last?”
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes Esdras ? Never heard of it.
BlueSkyKing · M
According to the New Testament, Jesus was the God of the Old Testament. He was not just a chip off the old block: he was the block itself.
When the Jews asked Jesus if he was their Messiah, he replied: “The Father and I are one” (John 10:30), and said, “the Father is in me and I am in the Father” (John 10:38). Asking for proof, one of his disciples said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied:
Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, “Show us the Father”? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. (John 14:9–11)
“If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen God,” Jesus insisted. The Gospel of John opens with an unambiguous statement that Jesus was identical with the God of the Old Testament. John starts with “In the beginning,” exactly like Genesis 1:1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. (John 1:1–3)
When the Jews asked Jesus if he was their Messiah, he replied: “The Father and I are one” (John 10:30), and said, “the Father is in me and I am in the Father” (John 10:38). Asking for proof, one of his disciples said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied:
Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, “Show us the Father”? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. (John 14:9–11)
“If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen God,” Jesus insisted. The Gospel of John opens with an unambiguous statement that Jesus was identical with the God of the Old Testament. John starts with “In the beginning,” exactly like Genesis 1:1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. (John 1:1–3)
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing The Jesus character never did anything godly. Moses and Elijah were better wizards. Jesus was all talk and no action.
BlueSkyKing · M
@Diotrephes My response was to point out that in the John gospel, he did say he was the Old Testament’s jealous god. One out of four books still counts.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing The Tarzan character was raised by chimps from a baby on up in the jungle but he could speak perfect English. Was he a god?
Writers can give their characters all kinds of attributes and powers but it doesn't make them real.
If the Jesus character had commanded a mountain to float in the sky for ten thousand years and it did, or if he had commanded liquid water to form letters that spelled out the Ten Commandments and the ones he supposedly said and if they were still floating in the air today, a case could be made that he was who he claimed to have been. But all he left behind was countless superstitious twits who continue to believe in an ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy that lacks proof.
But maybe those hundred pound hail stones and all of those stars falling to the Earth will finally provide some proof.
Writers can give their characters all kinds of attributes and powers but it doesn't make them real.
If the Jesus character had commanded a mountain to float in the sky for ten thousand years and it did, or if he had commanded liquid water to form letters that spelled out the Ten Commandments and the ones he supposedly said and if they were still floating in the air today, a case could be made that he was who he claimed to have been. But all he left behind was countless superstitious twits who continue to believe in an ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy that lacks proof.
But maybe those hundred pound hail stones and all of those stars falling to the Earth will finally provide some proof.
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1dayiWILLbRICH0 · 31-35, F
man over Bible? Impressive haha
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
People are so gullible.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Entwistle Are you referring to the guy on the stage? If so, what did he say do you consider to be wrong?
room101 · 51-55, M
@Entwistle I've also subjected myself to this morons insanity a few times. At the behest of a couple of my friends who claim to be "enlightened".
A complete and utter clown who is patently trying to make his failed merchant who decided to invent his own religion, seem to be on a par or even superior to Jesus Christ.
A complete and utter clown who is patently trying to make his failed merchant who decided to invent his own religion, seem to be on a par or even superior to Jesus Christ.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@nedkelly of which the USA is full of. Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Jimmy Swaggart and their ilk make my skin crawl with their vile pseudo-Christian evangelism. Here in Australia the former PM Scott Morrison who was ejected at the May federal election is a die-hard supporter of the Pentecostal movement and is a 'best pal' of disgraced Hillsong pastor Brian Houston. But most government ministers tend to be catholic, anglican or baptist just because they are three most common mainstream commercial churches in Oz.