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BlueSkyKing · M
According to the New Testament, Jesus was the God of the Old Testament. He was not just a chip off the old block: he was the block itself.
When the Jews asked Jesus if he was their Messiah, he replied: “The Father and I are one” (John 10:30), and said, “the Father is in me and I am in the Father” (John 10:38). Asking for proof, one of his disciples said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied:
Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, “Show us the Father”? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. (John 14:9–11)
“If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen God,” Jesus insisted. The Gospel of John opens with an unambiguous statement that Jesus was identical with the God of the Old Testament. John starts with “In the beginning,” exactly like Genesis 1:1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. (John 1:1–3)
When the Jews asked Jesus if he was their Messiah, he replied: “The Father and I are one” (John 10:30), and said, “the Father is in me and I am in the Father” (John 10:38). Asking for proof, one of his disciples said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied:
Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, “Show us the Father”? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. (John 14:9–11)
“If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen God,” Jesus insisted. The Gospel of John opens with an unambiguous statement that Jesus was identical with the God of the Old Testament. John starts with “In the beginning,” exactly like Genesis 1:1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. (John 1:1–3)
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing The Jesus character never did anything godly. Moses and Elijah were better wizards. Jesus was all talk and no action.
BlueSkyKing · M
@Diotrephes My response was to point out that in the John gospel, he did say he was the Old Testament’s jealous god. One out of four books still counts.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing The Tarzan character was raised by chimps from a baby on up in the jungle but he could speak perfect English. Was he a god?
Writers can give their characters all kinds of attributes and powers but it doesn't make them real.
If the Jesus character had commanded a mountain to float in the sky for ten thousand years and it did, or if he had commanded liquid water to form letters that spelled out the Ten Commandments and the ones he supposedly said and if they were still floating in the air today, a case could be made that he was who he claimed to have been. But all he left behind was countless superstitious twits who continue to believe in an ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy that lacks proof.
But maybe those hundred pound hail stones and all of those stars falling to the Earth will finally provide some proof.
Writers can give their characters all kinds of attributes and powers but it doesn't make them real.
If the Jesus character had commanded a mountain to float in the sky for ten thousand years and it did, or if he had commanded liquid water to form letters that spelled out the Ten Commandments and the ones he supposedly said and if they were still floating in the air today, a case could be made that he was who he claimed to have been. But all he left behind was countless superstitious twits who continue to believe in an ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy that lacks proof.
But maybe those hundred pound hail stones and all of those stars falling to the Earth will finally provide some proof.