My latest definition of God.

I notice that exactly like last time you are ignoring inconvenient comments, you are creating multiple threads within your post so that nobody can keep track of your evasive and irrelevant replies, and I expect that soon you will repeat your nonsense in a whole new post so that you can continue this behaviour on two different posts at the same time.

You are being deceptive, dishonest, and disingenuous.

In short, you’re wasting everyone’s time.

How arrogant!

Hi Thodsis, do you know something about the Big Bang, latest news is that scientists acknowledge that the universe has a beginning.

From my part, I draw the implication that God exists, as the the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

Hi newjaninev2, you claim that the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago.

Suppose you tell me what is your definition of the word universe?


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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Hello again...

It is obvious that you’re not even reading my replies

I have repeatedly asked you to specify what it is you claim I am denying, yet you seem incapable of answering that question.

Or perhaps you’re just being wilfully obtuse and deceptive.

Which is it?

I have also shown you that the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation does not show that he universe had a beginning.

It shows that the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago.

It does not show that the universe began... but that it began expanding.

Those are different events. Expansion is established, whereas your unsupported claim has not been established.

Do you merely ignore anything that is inconvenient? Do you pretend such inconveniences do not exist?

If so, you obviously re not looking for discussion... perhaps you should find yourself a good echo chamber so you can sit there all day and listen to yourself over and over.

Now, look at the bottom of this comment.

There is a button marked ‘reply’.

Use it.

That will link your response directly to this comment.

That way, we will all be able to track the same conversation.

Unless, of course, you want to keep running away to new threads and causing confusion to hide your inadequacies.

Hi everyone, please just reply to this post and concentrate on the question: "whether there has always been some being, instead of no being."

Just answer yes or no, and explain.

If you prefer to evade answering then I will just let you talk but I can't connect with you at all, so what is the purpose of your activity here in my thread?

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, let us all reply to this post from me, because how you reply will indicate whether you should continue here, or not.

You see if there has not been aways some being at all existing, way way back even before time and space in the material or physical universe appeared, then we don't exist today.

Unless you posit that some being can just spring forth from no being at all, which is a most absurd idea.


So, everyone please answer this issue, otherwise you are irrelevant in this thread.

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, please react to my repeated post below.


yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, what do you say about my post reproduced again below:

yrger · 80-89, M

Hi everyone, let us talk about whether there has always been some being, instead of no being.

From my part, if there has never been some being, how come we are now existing, unless you posit the absurd idea that from no being some being will come forth?

Hi newjaninev2, the universe needed to be created because it has a beginning, but "God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

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newjaninev2 says:


By this I assume you mean that your god did not need to be created.

If that claim is in any way valid then it is equally valid to say that the universe did not need to be created... thereby removing any need to even postulate the existence of your god.

Hi everyone, let us all reply to this post from me, because how you reply will indicate whether you should continue here, or not.

You see if there has not been aways some being at all existing, way way back even before time and space in the material or physical universe appeared, then we don't exist today.

Unless you posit that some being can just spring forth from no being at all, which is a most absurd idea.


So, everyone please answer this issue, otherwise you are irrelevant in this thread.

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, please react to my repeated post below.


yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, what do you say about my post reproduced again below:

yrger · 80-89, M

Hi everyone, let us talk about whether there has always been some being, instead of no being.

From my part, if there has never been some being, how come we are now existing, unless you posit the absurd idea that from no being some being will come forth?

Hi newjaninev2, please read intelligently and react, okay?

No need to resort to evasion about what your comment is that I am afraid to link up with you on.





yrger · 80-89, M
Hi Hi newjaninev2, please read intelligently and react, okay?



yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you are denying that there are spirits in existence, that are not material/physical beings.

Behind the Big Bang there is its cause which is a spirit, namely: God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

You need a much higher intelligence to know God, than with your science-based intelligence, which is limited to ultimately material/physical particles in time/space.


The European Hadron particle physics laboratory, CERN, the world's biggest atom smasher of 27 kilometer-long circle, it cannot and will not find any particle that will solve the theory of everytning that is material/physical and existing in time/space.

Hi Thodsis.

Here are my answers to your questions:


What is a spirit? A spirit is a being that is not material or physical, it is not subject to measurements.

What does 'self-existent' mean? Self-existent means that a being is not dependent on another being for its existence or reality

Is this god a perverse puppeteer? No, God is not a perverse puppeteer.

Hi newjaninev2, you are denying that there are spirits in existence, that are not material/physical beings.

Behind the Big Bang there is its cause which is a spirit, namely: God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

You need a much higher intelligence to know God, than with your science-based intelligence, which is limited to ultimately material/physical particles in time/space.


The European Hadron particle physics laboratory, CERN, the world's biggest atom smasher of 27 kilometer-long circle, it cannot and will not find any particle that will solve the theory of everytning that is material/physical and existing in time/space.






newjaninev2 · 51-55, F


@yrger
before time and space
😂

How can anything exist ‘before’ spacetime?

That simply doesn’t make sense... it’s like saying ‘before the Big Bang’

(You may run away now)

Hi atheists here, see, you have no intellectual courage at all.

You should imitate Richard Dawkins who have the intllectual courage to take on God, but not you small-time atheists.

You small-time atheists find a safe asylum in message boards.

And even in message boards you have no intellectual courage and resources to start a thread on no God.


See what small-time atheists you guys are, afraid to start a thread on no God, then you will face me there, instead of nonsense talks in my thread where you are just into fallacious utterances and thinking yourselves smart.


And running away all the time, to face such as a question as "Has there always been some being or not."



Hi readers, see if these athests here dare to start their own thread on no God, and I will be there to turn them upside down for no intellectual depth and much less courage of heart and mind, i.e. no brain but only dyspeptic guts.

How is this different from your last definition ?
You still have no evidence to support it.
My definition of god hasn’t changed either. God is whatever set things in motion. Without any conciseness, self awareness, or perpetual existence. It just has to tip over that first domino, nothing else.

Hi Hi newjaninev2, please read intelligently and react, okay?



yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you are denying that there are spirits in existence, that are not material/physical beings.

Behind the Big Bang there is its cause which is a spirit, namely: God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

You need a much higher intelligence to know God, than with your science-based intelligence, which is limited to ultimately material/physical particles in time/space.


The European Hadron particle physics laboratory, CERN, the world's biggest atom smasher of 27 kilometer-long circle, it cannot and will not find any particle that will solve the theory of everytning that is material/physical and existing in time/space.

Hi Entwistle, don't evade my challenge to you, are you acquainted with the cosmic background microwave radiation?


I have already penetrated your falacious way of thinking and reacting to my challenges, namely, you always deny my categorical positions and then introduce another issue, that is not any way to do productive dialogue, so tell me, what is the cosmic microwave background radiation?

Start reading i.e. researching on the cosmic microwave background radiation, and be ready to expound on it in at most only 100 words, otherwise you are a most insincere party in any dialogue.




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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger No it doesn't.
You are making up fairy stories about sports and the spirit realm.
Nothing is eternal.
Here's a question for you..Could your god kill itself?

Hi Thodsis, I guess there is no sense with having a productive exchange with you, as I see you to be rather attached to irrational anger.

Are you an atheist?

They are atheists who can and do explain why God is not needed - without resorting to impolite language.

Hi Thodsis, You ask me "Why do you think that gods are needed?"

Not gods, but only one, namely as thus defined: "God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

But tell me what you know about the universe having a beginning.

Hi Entwistle, you really insist on your idea of labels?

Do you have a wife and children, what are they, also labels in your mind. Mind you, your wife might not want to make love with the label that is you.

You are getting totally absurd.

I can imagine that with your kind of labelism, you had better not be driving a car, and then running over some poor guy carelessly crossing the street, would you still continue driving instead of bringing the poor guy to the hospital?



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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger A bullet is just a label too. What would you have called it before you were told it's called a bullet?
A bullet is also just a collection of other things. As is the brain.

Hi Entwistle, I need you to give me your observation on newjaninev2's losing her tongue and her brain.

Previously she was full of confidence that the universe is all there is, but I ask her for her definition of universe which according to her started to begin expanding 13.7 billion years ago.

And you know what, she got all lost and went into total silence.

How very disappointing.


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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger As usual you are failing to understand what is being said.
Do you not agree that things are labelled by the mind?
Before you were told a house is called a house what would you have called it?

By this I assume you mean that your god did not need to be created.

If that claim is in any way valid then it is equally valid to say that the universe did not need to be created... thereby removing any need to even postulate the existence of your god.

Hi everyone, please define what is the universe.

And also what is the Big Bang.


If you don't know, please do some serious reading i.e. research.


We have got to agree on definitions, else you and I are wasting our time and labor.


Newjaninev2 and Entwistle are scared out of their wits to define the two words - hahaha.



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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you have not defined what is the universe.

And also I wll now ask you likewise define what is the Big Bang.


We have got to agree on definitions, else you and I are wasting our time and labor.



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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Just out of interest (to relieve the boredom of your turgid prose)... do you think the Big Bang was when the universe began?

Hi Entwistle, thanks for the compliment, namely, I am the most boring person you have ever interacted with.

Now, let you and me comment on this fact and truth, namely, there has always been some being in existence even before time and space appeared in physics.


Hi everyone, Entwistle will run away again.


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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger You won't answer questions in debates. You run away to your safety,bolt hole of God.
You are the most boring person I've ever interacted with on this site.
You are unwilling to learn or explore new ideas.

Hi Entwistle, give me one new idea from you so that we can talk about it, okay?

Don't shift off again into another question or allegation from you, it seems that is all you do, always intentionally straying into an alien concern.

I can do that also, tell me what you have for breakfast in London - ha ha ha.



Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger You won't answer questions in debates. You run away to your safety,bolt hole of God.
You are the most boring person I've ever interacted with on this site.
You are unwilling to learn or explore new ideas.

Hi newjaninev2, please reply, have you lost your tongue and your brain?



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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, this is another call to newjaninev2 to reply to my post below.

What is happening to you, newjaninev2?

You lost your tongue or your brain?


I reckon you lost both, tongue and brain.





yrger · 80-89, M

Addressing newjaninev2:

You have not replied to my question:

Did the universe expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you say:

" . . . the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago."

Did it expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

Hi Entwistle, what can you say about the point of ewjaninev2, if she has one at all.

My point is that previously I was of the idea that the universe is all there is, and it includes God, then I realized that God is not a part of the universe because the universe is physical/material, while God is spiritual.

That is why I now have this what I call the latest definition of God, namely:

"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

Hi newjaninev2, please start your thread on no God, and I will go there and talk with you, okay?!

And this proposal is addressed to all atheists, okay?!


So, what are you atheists waiting for?!



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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrgerYou’re talking to yourself.

You’re interested in your own opinions alone. You’re interested in your own ridiculous ‘definitions’ alone, and you’re wasting everyone’s time for no good purpose.

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, if you care, you can start a thread about no god, and I will go there to talk with you, is that okay?

Hi Entwistle, you say the universe is all there is, what is your proof?

Are you acquainted with the cosmic mcrowave background radiation, it implicates the existence of God as the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of everything transient.



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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger Newjanine may be too busy to deal with your idiocy,she may be just bored of you?
You fail to answer other people's questions yet expect other's to answer yours.
The universe is all there is,unless of course the multiverse exists.
That's the correct answer.

Hi newjaninev2, give me one comment from you that I am not giving attention to, okay?

And we will talk about it.

Or you are the one running away.


Hi everyone, take notice who is running away.



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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger You must be joking! 😂

You do not reply to any of my comments. Why are you so afraid of me?

Stop talking to ‘everyone’.

There is no ‘everyone’

You’re talking to yourself.

You’re interested in your own opinions alone. You’re interested in your own ridiculous ‘definitions’ alone, and you’re wasting everyone’s time for no good purpose.

Hi Entwistle, I am so glad that you in effect agree with me that there has always been some being, even before time ad space appeared in the physical/material world.


Tell me your reaction, suppose I tell you that it is God the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.




Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger I'm running away at all.
I believe there has always been something in existence for ever yes.
Something somewhere.

Hi JimboSaturn, thanks for your boredom with my ideas, that is a most sincere commendation, welcome to my thread.



JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
boring

Hi newjaninev2, what exactly are you into, the existence of God according to my latest definition, which is the following:

God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

Or you want to everlastingly insist that I am afraid to face you on your comments etc etc etc. . . .


I am telling you that God belongs to the realm of spirits, not to the material/physical universe - and He created and operates man, the universe, and everything transient.

Hi Entwistle, you say the pebble is just a label the mind creates.

What about a bullet?


Yout intelligence is deficient, and it can kill you if you continue to insist that things like pebbles and bullets are just in your mind, now what about the brain that is the organ of the mind, is it also just a label in a mind, and mind you, whose mind?

From my part I woud propose the mind of God.


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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger Nobody puts parts together to make a pebble. The parts and the pebble are just labels your mind creates.

Hi Entwistle, I used to define God as "God is the permanent self-existent creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

On more mature thinking about the kinds of beings that are really existing, I have revised my previous definition of God into the latest one, namely: "God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."


You see, there are in fact two kinds of beings, namely: (a) spiritual beings, and (b) material or physical beings.

Hi everyone, please react to my repeated post below.


yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, what do you say about my post reproduced again below:

yrger · 80-89, M

Hi everyone, let us talk about whether there has always been some being, instead of no being.

From my part, if there has never been some being, how come we are now existing, unless you posit the absurd idea that from no being some being will come forth?

Hi everyone, please take careful notice of my two definitions of God as follow below:

My previous definition:
"God is the permanent self-existent container of all things, creator and operator of man and the universe and everything that is not God Himself."

My latest definition:
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

Do you all notice the difference, if you do, tell me what is the difference.

Hi everyone, I guess it is the end of this my thread, as all the participants have lost their tongue and their brain.



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yrger · 80-89, M
Addressing newjaninev2:

You have not replied to my question:

Did the universe expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you say:

" . . . the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago."

Did it expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

Hi Entwistle, there is a distinction between the physical/material (p/m) realm and the spiritual (sp) realm.

The (p/m) is composed of parts like the say composition of a pebble, while the (sp) is not composed of parts, like God and angels.

Now I ask you, where do the parts of the (p/m) come from?

And what being put them together as to become a say pebble?

Hi everyone, in my location on earth, today is Saturday December 24, 2022, and tomorrow is Sunday and Christmas Day.

So I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

And all these Christmas festivities are due to the reality of God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

Hi newjaninev2, you have not defined what is the universe.

And also I wll now ask you likewise define what is the Big Bang.


We have got to agree on definitions, else you and I are wasting our time and labor.



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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Just out of interest (to relieve the boredom of your turgid prose)... do you think the Big Bang was when the universe began?

Addressing newjaninev2.

What's happened to you, why the silence when as always you were so full of overbearing confidence with your comments.



yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you say:

" . . . the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago."

Did it expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

Hi TheoreticSkeptic, here is my definition of spirit:

Spirit is a being that is not physical or material, it is not bounded by measurements, there are spirits like God and angels.

Here is my definition of God where I mention God as a spirit:

"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

Hi newjaninev2, youkeep on and on about you not denying anything, what about you tell me what you are alleging anything at all.

Like that the universe is all there is of existence?

But the cosmic bacground microwave radiation shows that the universe has a beginning: there, it ain't all there is to existence.

Hi Entwistle, there has always been existence even before you and I come into existence.


And God is the only permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man, the universe and everything transient.

If nothing is permanent, then you would not be writing here in this my thread on my latest definition of God.


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Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger Nothing is permanent.

Addressing newjaninev2:

You have not replied to my question:

Did the universe expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi newjaninev2, you say:

" . . . the universe began expanding 13.7 billion years ago."

Did it expand from nothingness or from somethingness?

Hi Entwistle, this is a Christian thread, so I will not interact with you here because you are into Buddhism.

However, as you I figure were some sort of Christian before, then actuate yourself as a sort of Christian, namely: knowing that God exists and He is the creator and operator of everything that is not Himself.

Which one?

Hi everyone, let us talk about whether there has always been some being, instead of no being.

From my part, if there has never been some being, how come we are now existing, unless you posit the absurd idea that from no being some being will come forth?

Hi Emosaur, here is my latest definition of God:

"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

Tell me, what is your definition of the Abrahamic god?

I'm not even going to ask you what the term god actually means. Rather than go for the obvious assumptions being made of permanence and existence, or the brazen self creation of that which is without creation, I'm going to ask instead for a simple definition. Define spirit.

Hi ImperialAerosolKidFromEP, thanks for the compliment, appreciate it.


I am going to do a new thread on God created the universe.


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ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M
@yrger well you've been doing a service to SW by keeping the fundamentalist atheists occupied

Hi Entwistle, you are now in the role of an atheist, so no more hocus pocus of there is no 'i'.

Tell me what is wrong with me, okay



Entwistle · 51-55, M
@yrger You need to seek help. There's obviously something wrong with you.

Hi everyone, this is another call to newjaninev2 to reply to my post below.

What is happening to you, newjaninev2?

You lost your tongue or your brain?


I reckon you lost both, tongue and brain.