Are Christians still supposed to keep the Sabbath, nowadays?
As a Christian myself, it's an argument that I wish would be put to rest already.
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While I have already proven the fact that we are no longer supposed to keep the Sabbath with Hebrews 9:9-19 and Colossians 2:14-17, (along with the video I posted in here that everyone should watch) I want to mention something else. Observing the sabbath is the gateway drug into accepting whole slew of things, like observing the Torah, Hebrew Roots movement, eating kosher food, until eventually you reach the dark destination: Judaism. The strongest argument these Hebrew roots heretics will throw at you for keeping the Sabbath is, "Well, it's in the ten commandments!" ''
Most people will agree that the Old testament is done away. People fail to understand that the ten commandments actually were the old testament. So, lets look up the 3 references to the times the old testament mentions "The Ten commandments". it is mentioned in Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, and Deuteronomy 10:4.
Deuteronomy 4:13 says, "And he declared unto you HIS COVENANT, which he commanded you to perform, EVEN TEN COMMANDEMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone."
So, he said even there, which is a restatement. He declared the covenant, even ten commandments. So, the words of the covenant were the ten commandments.
2 Corinthians 3:6-7 says, Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; NOT OF THE LETTER, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, WRITTEN AND ENRGAVEN IN STONES, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:"
Let me ask you something: what was it that was written and engraven in stones? The ten commandments.
So, the Bible says that which was engraven in stones, the ten commandments, was to be done away.
Also, remember when Moses took the stone tablets and he broke them. You know what that pictures? That the best man broke the ten commandments. That is why the old covenant is known as the ministration of death,
People say, well that sabbath day, that is apart of the ten commandments. Look, if the law is changed in the new testament, and the Bible says in Hebrews 7:12, "For the priesthood being changed, there is made a necessity a change also of the law."
Then guess what? Something about the ten commandments is going to change too! We do not keep the sabbath day. That is old testament and old covenant and that is NOT commanded in the New Testament!
Hebrews 8:8 says, “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”
And so a new covenant means that the stones that were written upon in the old testament that were the old covenant were no longer gonna be the covenant that God would use. God would use a new covenant, not in the letter, but in the spirit!
Now generally speaking, when taking the entire Bible into account, it is quite obvious and self explanatory that we still follow moral laws and that moral laws will always apply (these things will always be wrong and are condemned both in old and new testament all throughout the Bible: Stealing, murder, covetousness, adultery, homosexuality, fornication, not using the Lords name in vain - blasphemy, disobeying parents, worshipping other gods and other things we know to be wrong) but the carnal ordinances (sabbath is one of the carnal ordinances) and things of the like were passed and were merely pictures of things to come, as mentioned in Hebrews 9.
Most people will agree that the Old testament is done away. People fail to understand that the ten commandments actually were the old testament. So, lets look up the 3 references to the times the old testament mentions "The Ten commandments". it is mentioned in Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, and Deuteronomy 10:4.
Deuteronomy 4:13 says, "And he declared unto you HIS COVENANT, which he commanded you to perform, EVEN TEN COMMANDEMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone."
So, he said even there, which is a restatement. He declared the covenant, even ten commandments. So, the words of the covenant were the ten commandments.
2 Corinthians 3:6-7 says, Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; NOT OF THE LETTER, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, WRITTEN AND ENRGAVEN IN STONES, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:"
Let me ask you something: what was it that was written and engraven in stones? The ten commandments.
So, the Bible says that which was engraven in stones, the ten commandments, was to be done away.
Also, remember when Moses took the stone tablets and he broke them. You know what that pictures? That the best man broke the ten commandments. That is why the old covenant is known as the ministration of death,
People say, well that sabbath day, that is apart of the ten commandments. Look, if the law is changed in the new testament, and the Bible says in Hebrews 7:12, "For the priesthood being changed, there is made a necessity a change also of the law."
Then guess what? Something about the ten commandments is going to change too! We do not keep the sabbath day. That is old testament and old covenant and that is NOT commanded in the New Testament!
Hebrews 8:8 says, “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”
And so a new covenant means that the stones that were written upon in the old testament that were the old covenant were no longer gonna be the covenant that God would use. God would use a new covenant, not in the letter, but in the spirit!
Now generally speaking, when taking the entire Bible into account, it is quite obvious and self explanatory that we still follow moral laws and that moral laws will always apply (these things will always be wrong and are condemned both in old and new testament all throughout the Bible: Stealing, murder, covetousness, adultery, homosexuality, fornication, not using the Lords name in vain - blasphemy, disobeying parents, worshipping other gods and other things we know to be wrong) but the carnal ordinances (sabbath is one of the carnal ordinances) and things of the like were passed and were merely pictures of things to come, as mentioned in Hebrews 9.
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@walabby Did you read the verse before in verse 17 where Jesus says he did not come to destroy the law but to FULFILL. That is a key word here to understand. Firstly, before going further I have to mention that you can't just avoid all of the verses I just provided and everything else I wrote. You didn't comment on anything I wrote. And considering all of the verses I provided prove that we are no longer supposed to observe the Sabbath, you can't think that one verse taken out of context will mean that all of the scores of verses I listed are wrong. No, that's not how exegesis and Biblical interpretation works. Nothing in the Bible contradicts. You are simply misapplying that verse and not understanding it. Let me show you why.
Now, back to the word fulfills. Many things in the old testament were merely pictures of things to come. Jesus Christ did not come to destroy those things but to fulfill them.
For instance, the animal sacrifices were a picture of it foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice of our lamb Jesus Christ, whose blood washed away our sins. Because of this we no longer have to do animal sacrifices. Are you seriously going to sit here and say we still have to do animal sacrifices because of your misapplication of that verse? No, Jesus Christs sacrifice is sufficient and what He did on the cross is how all of our sins have been paid for, to those who believe on Him. The picture of the animal sacrifices have been fulfilled. Henceforth they are no longer necessary.
Same with the Sabbath. The Sabbath was a picture of salvation and that picture was fulfilled. Salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is often compared to rest. Jesus IS our Sabbath rest.
Like I said above, Hebrews 7:12, "For the priesthood being changed, there is made a necessity a CHANGE also of the LAW."
The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.
Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.
Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules. By saying, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.
Hebrews 4is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to “enter in” to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against the Lord in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, “They shall not enter into My rest” (Hebrews 3:11). In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs his readers not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience” (Hebrews 4:9–11).
There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (John 14:6). God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen inNumbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp’” (verse 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).
Now, back to the word fulfills. Many things in the old testament were merely pictures of things to come. Jesus Christ did not come to destroy those things but to fulfill them.
For instance, the animal sacrifices were a picture of it foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice of our lamb Jesus Christ, whose blood washed away our sins. Because of this we no longer have to do animal sacrifices. Are you seriously going to sit here and say we still have to do animal sacrifices because of your misapplication of that verse? No, Jesus Christs sacrifice is sufficient and what He did on the cross is how all of our sins have been paid for, to those who believe on Him. The picture of the animal sacrifices have been fulfilled. Henceforth they are no longer necessary.
Same with the Sabbath. The Sabbath was a picture of salvation and that picture was fulfilled. Salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is often compared to rest. Jesus IS our Sabbath rest.
Like I said above, Hebrews 7:12, "For the priesthood being changed, there is made a necessity a CHANGE also of the LAW."
The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.
Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.
Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules. By saying, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.
Hebrews 4is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to “enter in” to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against the Lord in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, “They shall not enter into My rest” (Hebrews 3:11). In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs his readers not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience” (Hebrews 4:9–11).
There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (John 14:6). God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen inNumbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp’” (verse 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).
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@Carazaa And also, once you have gotten done reading everything I wrote, watch this:
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ_V7wfxr7I]
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LordShadowfire · M
Carazaa · F
I absolutely observe the Sabbath I fast and pray because its in the 10 commandments. I do no work at all on Sundays the first day to honor God, no laundry, no cleaning, no shopping, etc. I also give 10% of what I make to missions every month and to a Biblical church.
Here is what God says in Romans 14 about eating, and the Sabbath.
[b]Romans 14[/b]
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[c]
Here is what God says in Romans 14 about eating, and the Sabbath.
[b]Romans 14[/b]
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[c]
Carazaa · F
@SpiritualMan ❤️ the 10 commandments are a must to follow for christians. The first three are to love God first, and then respecting our parents, and not to murder, not to lust, or steal, or be jealous and be materialistic! Good stuff "I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it" Jesus says 🙂
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Carazaa · F
@SpiritualMan Please read you Bible and pray for Salvation!
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th3r0n · 41-45, M
@SpiritualMan there's a key to that, if you read the context you know, and most of the symbols are explained later in the same text
th3r0n · 41-45, M
@SpiritualMan Also, when talking of the vision he says 'i saw" but the quotes given from Jesus are literal quotes from the king telling truth
Carazaa · F
Yes, Pray and fast Jesus says! Not only is it pleasing to God and he will answer your prayers, but lately scientists have found that a health gene is turned on with regular fasting (science is slow). I am fasting and praying until Sunday at 4 pm. I honor God first hour of the day, and first day of the week, and first 10th of my money I make. God blesses me very much!
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Carazaa · F
@SpiritualMan I believe it is, but that does not mean that you have to honor it. I said I Honor it!
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I guess it's still debated because there's no part of the New Testament that specifically says "don't keep the Sabbath anymore" (among other parts of the Law). There are just passages in Paul's letters that render some of the old laws unnecessary (like circumcision) and Jesus repudiating the Pharisees' reliance on the Law (see Matthew 12 for Jesus telling the people that they can do certain things on the Sabbath that were forbidden under the Law), but it's not as clearly spelled out as people want it to be.
latinbutterfly · F
@SW-User Exactly. Jesus fulfilled the Law, so we are no longer under it but are still supposed to follow it.
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Galatians 3:10-14
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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BlueSkyKing · M
Fourth Commandment is a biggie. In the Old Testament, anyone of the household that does work, including slaves, is to be put to death. Even the second set, the final proofed says so.
There is long list of things the jealous god demands but are ignored. Many have threats of death, but to no avail.
There is long list of things the jealous god demands but are ignored. Many have threats of death, but to no avail.
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
@latinbutterfly Is he the one who precided over the agreements made in Nice or something? When after hundreds of years some arguments needed settling?
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Carazaa · F
@SpiritualMan No, he [i]does[/i] care, he just does not want us to be judging others.🙏
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Owner913 · 31-35, M
I think Sabbath comeS from the Hebrew word shabbat and the Arabic word sabt means Saturday.
latinbutterfly · F
Thanks for the responses, guys.
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LordShadowfire · M
@SpiritualMan I want to see you look it up in the gospels yourself. Read all four books, where it talks about Joseph's father. Don't rely on some random person on Quora to interpret it for you.
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@SpiritualMan Exactly. It is quite obvious and self explanatory that we are to keep moral laws and that moral laws will always apply, but the carnal ordinances (sabbath is one of the carnal ordinances) and things of the like were passed and were merely pictures of things to come, which is made clear in Hebrews 9,
"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."
Specifically on the sabbath in Colossians 2:
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
Notice it is the same language as Hebrews 9. The Sabbath is clearly one of the carnal ordinances that has been done away with.
"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."
Specifically on the sabbath in Colossians 2:
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
Notice it is the same language as Hebrews 9. The Sabbath is clearly one of the carnal ordinances that has been done away with.
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BlueSkyKing · M
@SpiritualMan
[i] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day. And they that found him brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”[/i] (Numbers 15:32-36)
Some believers assert that these primitive Old Testament laws are no longer relevant and have been superseded by Jesus—but that proves the point! [b]If they use such an argument, they are admitting that at least part of the bible is not acceptable for today’s society.[/b] How many of us stop and think what day of the week it is before we pick up sticks? However you interpret it, the 15th chapter of Numbers is still in the bible, the Sabbath law is still in the Ten Commandments, and we see no condemnation of such barbarism, no moral outcry, no denunciation by Christians of these shameful acts committed by their “loving God” in the “Good Book.” We see no pages being torn out of bibles with disgust. What if an ayatollah were to command the execution of a person who picked up sticks on an Islamic holy day because it offended Allah? What would we think of such bloodthirsty, immoral arrogance?
[i] And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day. And they that found him brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”[/i] (Numbers 15:32-36)
Some believers assert that these primitive Old Testament laws are no longer relevant and have been superseded by Jesus—but that proves the point! [b]If they use such an argument, they are admitting that at least part of the bible is not acceptable for today’s society.[/b] How many of us stop and think what day of the week it is before we pick up sticks? However you interpret it, the 15th chapter of Numbers is still in the bible, the Sabbath law is still in the Ten Commandments, and we see no condemnation of such barbarism, no moral outcry, no denunciation by Christians of these shameful acts committed by their “loving God” in the “Good Book.” We see no pages being torn out of bibles with disgust. What if an ayatollah were to command the execution of a person who picked up sticks on an Islamic holy day because it offended Allah? What would we think of such bloodthirsty, immoral arrogance?
caesar7 · 61-69, M
I do...I listen to Black Sabbath even to this day!! 👍
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