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Amber Alerts for Children “Abducted” by their Fathers

This morning I was awakened by an amber alert and noticed that like many I’ve received before, the child in question that was reported missing is alleged to have been “kidnapped” by the biological father. If a parent doesn’t have custodial rights for whatever reason, is this how they become a perpetrator (in the eyes of the law)?
dale74 · M
As a father with primary custody I see so many fathers that are kept from seeing their children for no reason at all. If I did not have primary custody and my ex-wife would not allow me visitation I don't know what extremes I would go to. For so long everyone's always felt sorry for the mother but nobody ever really cared about the father.

As a society Europe and America have demasulated the man they have put them in more motherly roles. A lot of times the father is the one who takes care of the child at the young age takes the child to the doctor does all the school and education and then there's a separation and they don't have the child anymore in their life. This can be devastating this can push people over the cliff. This can be very damaging as well to the child who has known the father to be there as much and sometimes even more than the mother was in there raising.

I was extremely lucky the judge in my divorce my lawyer and I argued the fact that I was the one that switched jobs to work a night shift so my child would not be in daycare till she was over 3 we were able to show without a fact that I was the one who took her to every doctor's appointment. We were able to show beyond any reasonable doubt that the first person our daughter would run to if she had a boo boo would be her father.

The judge asked each of us starting with my ex-wife what do you want and she said I want the house I want him to pay me money every month and I want our child.

I said the only thing I care about is I want my daughter.
Yes.

I beleive Father's aren't valued as much as mothers.

And missing a father is not a problem as per those Mothers.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@Ihopetolivehappily This is not true.
@Ihopetolivehappily Children naturally need their mothers. However in some cases the father would be best suited to care for the children…
BlueVeins · 22-25
Yeah, iirc the vast majority of child abductions are by family members, which is... kind of reassuring, relative to the alternative. There are definitely cases where the dad is such a danger that a whole-ass amber alert is warranted; I just hope they use discretion in less serious cases where the parent doing the abducting obviously just wants to spend time with his kid.
Fluffybull · F
@Keepitsimple Exactly. Also it's not always just about "bickering between divorced/separated partners". I know of a horrendous case where the father lost custody and was forbidden from seeing his child unless supervised by social workers. The reason was he would take the child to visit the grandparents and the grandfather had a history of child abuse including his own daughter and he may have actually been the father of her child. As someone else posted, you can't judge if you don't know full facts.
Fluffybull · F
Yes. There are generally good reasons why a parent doesn't have custody of a child.
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
Yes…they violated a court order.
WhateverWorks · 36-40
In cases such as that it’s almost always because the father has a violent and or criminal history. It’s not just that he’s stepped outside the parenting plan
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@WhateverWorks But. Stepping outside a parenting plan is illegal. If you have a plan and you fail to abide by it and take the child somewhere you are not supposed to ...that is considered kidnapping.


Honey, Plenty of parents will use their chilren as pawns in abuse. They will take the kids in order to hurt the other parent.
WhateverWorks · 36-40
Kids get pulled into a lot of parental bullshit, but generally speaking, when it comes to an actual amber alert, there’s more involved that puts the child in danger@JaggedLittlePill
Only when one parent has been given custody by the court.Then if the other snatches child, they are the perpetrator.
SubstantialKick · 31-35, M
I've gotten those before and they scare the hell out of me.
Me as well…I always hope the child is returned unharmed. I can’t understand why someone would unlawfully remove their child from the safety of the familiar environment of the custodial parent’s home and possibly commit a fatally violent act against an innocent, underaged person. Harming children out of frustration with the other parent is nonsensical and shows such an utter disregard for human life. If these children are in fact harmed, regardless of the extent, I hope their abductors are receiving life behind bars if not the death penalty. @SubstantialKick
dale74 · M
@AnonymouslyYours my ex-wife only wanted our child because she wanted child support payments she didn't care one bit about the well-being of our child at first we were given a shared visitation and I had primary custody. Within 6 months I had her daughter every night except Friday nights and she only wants her dropped off between 8:00 and 9:00 p.m. and she wants me to pick her up Saturday morning between 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.. I actually have to encourage our daughter to even go to her mother's I have to tell her that if she doesn't behave for her mother I will punish her. Because if she has to stay at her mom's for more than a day she will become the most ornery child on the planet. Her mother will call and beg me to pick her up. I want her to get to know her mother I want her to spend time with her mother. I know the problem and it's because the ex-wife ignores her the entire time tells her to go watch her iPad. She takes her to work and makes her sit over in the corner at her desk my daughter doesn't want to do that she wants to go to a park she wants to play she wants you to watch a TV show with her she wants you to play hide and seek she doesn't care what you really do as long as she's spending time with you. Anytime she is spending time with her mother such as the second week of winter break every year and my ex-wife does something wonderful like taking her to a amusement park or the zoo and spends good quality time with her I always make sure to comment Amanda had a wonderful time going to the zoo she had a wonderful time going to SeaWorld she really enjoyed spending that time with you. I'm hoping the positive reinforcement encourages her to do more things with her daughter when she has her.

As for the Amber alert we don't know the entire story we don't know what kind of judge they had we don't know what that father did in raising that child and what the mother did or did not do. We don't know the full story all I can say is I hope the child is safe and I hope the child is happy. I did have my ex-wife threatened to not return our child once I said I tell you what why don't we call the police because I have our custody papers save on my cell phone. And as soon as I said that extremely loud where everybody around can hear she back down. I also stated out loud where everybody could hear I am the one with primary custody and I bend over backwards anytime you want to see your daughter I make sure it is arranged at your convenience not at mine.

I'm not going to condemn this man without knowing the facts and none of us know the facts.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
A father is just another person. So is. A mother. The title doesn't make either an actual mother or father.


Children can be and are abducted by a parent when the parent takes the child and leaves their home state without permission from the other parent. It is called kidnapping.
You’re right about that, but the Amber Alert doesn’t necessarily give the full circumstances. There was an alert here and listeners assumed it was okay because it was the father, but there had been a restraining order because of past domestic abuse.

 
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