is it cruelty to animals to drop a live lobster into a boiling pot of water?
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i didn't know that's how they are usually cooked
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i don't eat lobster but i couldn't do it
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MethDozer · M
@JimboSaturn it's the sound of steam escaping from the joints in the carapace
Goodlatch · 61-69, M
@SW-User Cheering, Hot Tub = Hilarious
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula Bugs of the sea they are!
bijouxbroussard · F
I suppose any method used to kill a living thing for the purpose of eating it could be classified as cruel, whether by humans or other creatures.
By that reckoning we’re [b]all[/b] complicit in murder, whether we consume fish or fowl, farm animals, or even by gathering and chopping up vegetables or fruit for salads. 🥺
Part of the circle of life.
By that reckoning we’re [b]all[/b] complicit in murder, whether we consume fish or fowl, farm animals, or even by gathering and chopping up vegetables or fruit for salads. 🥺
Part of the circle of life.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard Yep, vegetarians kill plants to eat. We eat living things since we can't photosynthesize.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@bijouxbroussard @JimboSaturn plants aren't sentient though, they don't have central nervous systems. There is no demonstrable evidence that plants think and feel. A pig does though and has the intelligence of a toddler.
bijouxbroussard · F
@basilfawlty89 Thus we qualify which lives it’s okay to end. It’s an excuse. I know, there are animals I will not eat because I’ve spent time with them where they were someone’s pet. It’s why I don’t eat lamb or pork anymore.
I’ve never eaten rabbits, because I once had one who would come when I called her. I’ve spoken with people in whose cultures it’s okay to eat dog or horse meat, which horrifies me. Cows and chickens, even fish, have a certain amount of intelligence.
We’re going to just have to accept that when it comes to food, [b]most[/b] of us are hypocrites. 🥺
I’ve never eaten rabbits, because I once had one who would come when I called her. I’ve spoken with people in whose cultures it’s okay to eat dog or horse meat, which horrifies me. Cows and chickens, even fish, have a certain amount of intelligence.
We’re going to just have to accept that when it comes to food, [b]most[/b] of us are hypocrites. 🥺
Jemimapuddleduck · 31-35, F
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Jemimapuddleduck Yes if you actually boiled one, you would see.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Conventional wisdom said that Lobster dont have a nervous sytem that registers the pain of burning. Personally I always though they gave a pretty good impression of pain when they hit the water..Not that I am a great fan.. But anything we eat is recycling the growth of something else. Meat. Plant or Fungi..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman According to my Ocean Biology teacher in high school, that sound is actually steam releasing from the folds of its tail.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@NativePortlander1970 Agreed. That was what I was told many years ago..But they dont seem happy about it. I get around it by buying my prawns (I prefer that to lobster) already cooked..😷
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@whowasthatmaskedman [quote]The decision to include decapods as sentient animals was founded on the research of biologist Robert Elwood, who has demonstrated over the past decade that these creatures exhibit “responses consistent with the idea of pain.” The professor emeritus at Queen’s University Belfast says it’s impossible to definitively prove how an animal (or person) feels. But in his experiments, prawns rubbed their antennae after exposure to irritants, while hermit crabs abandoned protective shelters — and even their own shells — to avoid shocks. In short, they acted like they were in pain and learned to evade its source.
The new British legislation — which mirrors laws in Spain, parts of Australia, and other regions — means that scientists experimenting on lobsters and crabs will likely need an ethical committee to approve of their work and consider the animals’ well-being.[/quote]
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/u-k-recognizes-lobster-sentience
The new British legislation — which mirrors laws in Spain, parts of Australia, and other regions — means that scientists experimenting on lobsters and crabs will likely need an ethical committee to approve of their work and consider the animals’ well-being.[/quote]
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/u-k-recognizes-lobster-sentience
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@JimboSaturn Judas fucking Priest, have you ever worked at a meat packing plant? I have, the method of killing them is actually quite humane, a powered thump to their head is instant, they don't feel any pain. However, it's kosher and halal that's cruel by cutting their throats and letting them slowly bleed out.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@NativePortlander1970 They are terrified after being hurded into the abertoire, it is not humane. I have not worked at a meat packing plant but my step father did and was a master butcher.
pentacorn · F
my grandfather and his father were lobstermen with a pound where my father worked as a teenager. i was taught they do feel pain, and so to shorten that as much as possible, they were held fast and quickly stabbed at a right angle directly behind the skull with a large chef's knife and then, without lifting the knife, even more quickly chop-sliced down between the eyes. it's still disturbing, imo, but it does save several seconds or more of pain if you have a strong and sure hand about it.
and, btw, no one should be boiling lobster. they're much better steamed
and, btw, no one should be boiling lobster. they're much better steamed
smiler2012 · 56-60
@beermeplease 🤔well when you it that way it does make it sound cruel and callous like a giant dropping us into a geyser
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
[quote]In Switzerland, throwing lobsters alive into boiling water has been banned for several years. Instead, the animals are required to be stunned. "Numerous studies show that lobsters, like other animals, feel pain and stress," said the Swiss food safety agency spokesperson. It made Switzerland the first country to ban the animal-unfriendly practice by law.
In Austria and New Zealand, live, and unanaesthetised cooking of crustaceans is also illegal. Whether or not to cook lobsters alive is also on the agenda in the UK. It was prompted by a study by the London School of Economics (LSE), which provided solid scientific evidence that decapod crustaceans and cephalopod molluscs are sentient. [/quote]
https://www.belganewsagency.eu/cooking-a-lobster-alive-whether-this-is-legal-depends-on-where-in-europe-you-are-cooking
In Austria and New Zealand, live, and unanaesthetised cooking of crustaceans is also illegal. Whether or not to cook lobsters alive is also on the agenda in the UK. It was prompted by a study by the London School of Economics (LSE), which provided solid scientific evidence that decapod crustaceans and cephalopod molluscs are sentient. [/quote]
https://www.belganewsagency.eu/cooking-a-lobster-alive-whether-this-is-legal-depends-on-where-in-europe-you-are-cooking
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@ninalanyon You're story said it's illegal to cook an unanaesthetised lobster in Australia and New Zealand. I was just wondering how they expect you to do that.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Nitedoc I have no idea.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@ninalanyon I don't think they do either.
Piper · 61-69, F
Yes, I think so.
Back in 1986, I acquired a job as a waitperson for a soon to be opening 'fancy' French cafe. I did not know then that there would be a lobster tank in the restaurant, or that I would be instructed to encourage patrons to pick one out for their lunch or dinner. Not that I did that, but I supposed to. It was one night of seeing a struggling lobster being dropped into a pot of boiling water almost every time I went in that kitchen to pick up food, that led to my decision to stop eating animals.
I realize that the sound they make can't actually be screaming, but I believe it would be...if they [b]could[/b] scream.
Back in 1986, I acquired a job as a waitperson for a soon to be opening 'fancy' French cafe. I did not know then that there would be a lobster tank in the restaurant, or that I would be instructed to encourage patrons to pick one out for their lunch or dinner. Not that I did that, but I supposed to. It was one night of seeing a struggling lobster being dropped into a pot of boiling water almost every time I went in that kitchen to pick up food, that led to my decision to stop eating animals.
I realize that the sound they make can't actually be screaming, but I believe it would be...if they [b]could[/b] scream.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
calicuz · 51-55, M
They're scavengers, so we really shouldn't be eating them to begin with, but I do love me some Shrimp more than Lobster.
I'm one to believe that all living creatures feel pain, and while it may take a Lobster 45 seconds to die in the pot, that's a long 45 seconds of immense pain.
I'm one to believe that all living creatures feel pain, and while it may take a Lobster 45 seconds to die in the pot, that's a long 45 seconds of immense pain.
carpediem · 61-69, M
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
SW-User
@JimboSaturn And (shudder) birds
Jeephikelove · 46-50, F
BizSuitStacy · M
Nature is harsh, particularly if you're far from the predatory apex. Boiling a lobster is a relatively instantaneous death. What sounds like screaming are the gases escaping its body. But pithing the brain first before boiling seems to be the preferred method.
SkeetSkeet · 100+, F
Justenjoyit · 56-60, M
C11111111111111 · M
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
Hanginginthere · 31-35, M
@JimboSaturn Likely is not the same as does, it's pretty much speculation. And who wants their sea bugs to see tracers before they're croaked.
@JimboSaturn I know what the fuck footnotes are, there are too many of them, which shows too many agree with each other, not enough peer review.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@NativePortlander1970 What the hell are you talking about?