is it cruelty to animals to drop a live lobster into a boiling pot of water?

@NativePortlander1970 I've boiled lobsters, they definitely feel the pain, they thrash. Plus arthropods and insects feel pain.

@JimboSaturn I'll take my scientifically educated ocean biology teacher's word before yours.

@NativePortlander1970 I did take university biology. Pain is a very ancient and basic response that keeps organisms alive and away from things that can hurt them. Have you never killed an insect and watch how it reacts? I have actually boiled lobsters alive, there reaction is unmistakable. Did you not dissect a lobster? it has a brain.

Also, the teachings may differ depending on how long ago you were taught.

@JimboSaturn Bullshit, you did not, otherwise you would be agreeing with my teacher.

@NativePortlander1970 I did. Teachers back then did not want to be guilty of "anthropomorphising" non-human creatures. They tried to avoid the words pain etc.. These days, it is accepted to admit the non-human creatures have similar to us.

@JimboSaturn You're just spewing bullshit now.

@NativePortlander1970 Nope look it up. Anthropomorhization was a big no no in zoology in the past. I agree with it partly because you shouldn't put human emotions on non-human things. But a lot to teachers back then sucked. Look it up yourself, of course they feel pain. Most creatures do, that's how they stay alive, its a survival instinct, without it they would be pretty useless.

@JimboSaturn You made the claim, you prove it.

@NativePortlander1970 https://sentientmedia.org/do-lobsters-feel-pain/

That took me all of 5 seconds.

@NativePortlander1970 @NativePortlander1970 https://www.thoughtco.com/do-lobsters-feel-pain-4163893

@NativePortlander1970 How Scientists Measure Pain
Until the 1980s, scientists and veterinarians were trained to ignore animal pain, based on the belief that the ability to feel pain was associated only with higher consciousness.

@JimboSaturn Ohblook, a San Francisco based biased leftist vegan propaganda site 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙄

@JimboSaturn Whatever, vegan freak.

@NativePortlander1970 Check out the other website then

@JimboSaturn Nope, I don't pay attention to biased pseudoscience.

@JimboSaturn This is actually a pretty good one, it's more open-ended. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/do-lobsters-feel-pain-fighting-cocaine-addiction-monkey-fight-club-for-peace-and-more-1.4489613/do-lobsters-feel-pain-when-we-boil-them-alive-1.4489616

@NativePortlander1970 But you haven't read it. Basically your stuck in the 1970's

@NativePortlander1970 National Geographic. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/lobsters-likely-feel-pain-should-we-get-them-high-before-eating-them

@JimboSaturn A lot of footnotes, all repetitive, plus no funding source disclosed on the bottom, very suspicious to say the least.

@NativePortlander1970 Footnotes are proper noting of the where the information comes from, the precise opposite of suspicious.

@JimboSaturn Likely is not the same as does, it's pretty much speculation. And who wants their sea bugs to see tracers before they're croaked.

@JimboSaturn I know what the fuck footnotes are, there are too many of them, which shows too many agree with each other, not enough peer review.

@NativePortlander1970 What the hell are you talking about?