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Agnostics are actually agnostic atheists. If you don't believe that a god exists then you fall under the category of atheist.

You don't have to be certain that no god exists but if you cannot say " Yes, i believe a god exists" then you are an atheist.

Just another attempt to justify an idiotic atheistic ideology. The antitheists are far more rational, in my opinion.

From my anecdotal perspective on the subject, Gnosticism is personal knowledge in the metaphysical. It sidesteps doctrine and theology and fabricates non-materialistic paradigms of the supernatural order. So, Gnosticism is a deviation from atheist and theist theology. In essence, from an atheistic perspective, that seems somewhat ironic to me because the atheistic perspective suggests that all theology is fabricated. You can't not know what you or even someone else made up.

To me proto-Gnosticism is quasi religion. Independent gurus looking to gain power. If you have spent a considerable amount of time discussing theology, atheism and religion you will have come across people who make up their own dogma vaguely in reference to the occidental established theology. They can't be wrong, they seem to think, because they make it up, but they always need that established traditional basis to be relatable. I think they just think it makes them interesting. To each his own, I suppose. @Axeroberts is to me, an example of this. @LordShadowfire suggests, from time to time, that he has an interest in Gnosticism in that sense, making up a mock religion, but he also has some Gnostic tendencies with the supernatural. Ghosts, paganism.

Perhaps another irony is that ultimately a Gnostic theology merely replaces a traditional theology which is in itself a form of Gnosticism as it deviates from the deviation. First there was truth, which became myth and legend, which became doctrine, and thus, confusion.

It isn't that God isn't knowable, it's that people prefer not to know him. Or the concept, even, as that has become, in the West, a perversion.

Neither theist nor atheist knows for certain, but there is enough material to establish and maintain a reliable and accurate knowledge. But not very many people have ever really been interested in doing that.

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Ockham's Razor: the principle (attributed to William of Occam) that in explaining a thing no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.

Gnostic: relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.

Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Theist: a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
@AkioTsukino

I agree that the god of the bible isn't the only kind of god.

So share with me the definition of a god that you feel atheists believe in even if they are unaware.

[i]P.s. While you're here, are you going to take up that challenge i set for you in the evolution thread?[/i]
@Pikachu [quote]I agree that the god of the bible isn't the only kind of god.[/quote]

You don't know what the word means, do you? The dictionary doesn't tell you what the core meaning of the word is, it only gives you commonly used examples. You don't understand that a god can be a mortal human being who undoubtedly exists. It can be an inanimate object like a stick or mountain. It can be a representation of the male or female sex organs. The word means veneration of something held as mighty. That's it. It doesn't have to be supernatural. Doesn't have to have any real power. Doesn't have to exist literally.

You know who I am, right? That here it is okay to change ones avatar and user names? We've had this conversation in great detail.

[quote]So share with me the definition of a god that you feel atheists believe in even if they are unaware.[/quote]

It could be anything or anyone.

[quote]P.s. While you're here, are you going to take up that challenge i set for you in the evolution thread?[/quote]

Uh - I have no idea what you are talking about. What challenge?
@AkioTsukino

[quote]It could be anything or anyone.
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lol if it can be anything or anyone then the term is meaningless. Literally.

[quote]You don't know what the word means, do you? [/quote]

I really don't lol. Not in the context you're using.
Why don't you give me an example of an atheist god and explain why it should be considered a god.
Eklipse · F
Don't. Get started on this.....
@Eklipse

Toooo late🤪
Eklipse · F
@Pikachu too little too late....dungeons! You can meditate there...
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AbbySvenz · F
Show me something that does not rely on your holy book that proves your god exists @jshm2
Dshhh · M
@jshm2 entirely unverfiable
@Dshhh Oh, dear! Now, have you verified that its unverifiable? We'll need verification of the unverifiable from the officiously bureaucratic League of Atheistic Science as well as the Ministry Of Science & Technology (MOST). "Signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters."*

Scientism. Self proclaimed arbiters of reality. Can't get a date but they can find the truth to life, the universe, and everything. "Atheists," that is. Not Vogons.

* Douglas Adams, of course.
Iwantyourhotwife · 22-25
A lotta people forget that atheism branches out into agnosticism and antitheism

 
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