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Agnostics are actually agnostic atheists. If you don't believe that a god exists then you fall under the category of atheist.

You don't have to be certain that no god exists but if you cannot say " Yes, i believe a god exists" then you are an atheist.

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Just another attempt to justify an idiotic atheistic ideology. The antitheists are far more rational, in my opinion.

From my anecdotal perspective on the subject, Gnosticism is personal knowledge in the metaphysical. It sidesteps doctrine and theology and fabricates non-materialistic paradigms of the supernatural order. So, Gnosticism is a deviation from atheist and theist theology. In essence, from an atheistic perspective, that seems somewhat ironic to me because the atheistic perspective suggests that all theology is fabricated. You can't not know what you or even someone else made up.

To me proto-Gnosticism is quasi religion. Independent gurus looking to gain power. If you have spent a considerable amount of time discussing theology, atheism and religion you will have come across people who make up their own dogma vaguely in reference to the occidental established theology. They can't be wrong, they seem to think, because they make it up, but they always need that established traditional basis to be relatable. I think they just think it makes them interesting. To each his own, I suppose. @Axeroberts is to me, an example of this. @LordShadowfire suggests, from time to time, that he has an interest in Gnosticism in that sense, making up a mock religion, but he also has some Gnostic tendencies with the supernatural. Ghosts, paganism.

Perhaps another irony is that ultimately a Gnostic theology merely replaces a traditional theology which is in itself a form of Gnosticism as it deviates from the deviation. First there was truth, which became myth and legend, which became doctrine, and thus, confusion.

It isn't that God isn't knowable, it's that people prefer not to know him. Or the concept, even, as that has become, in the West, a perversion.

Neither theist nor atheist knows for certain, but there is enough material to establish and maintain a reliable and accurate knowledge. But not very many people have ever really been interested in doing that.



Ockham's Razor: the principle (attributed to William of Occam) that in explaining a thing no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.

Gnostic: relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.

Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Theist: a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Dshhh · M
@AkioTsukino you just cant get in your head that many do not belive in ANY god at any time?
@Dshhh Because they don't know what a god is. Most people don't. Many people say they believe in a specific god, but they don't. They believe in silly traditions. Others believe they have no gods because they don't know what being a god means. That's very common in Western culture. They wrongly think that God is the only divine model. They are oblivious to Taoism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, Islam, Judaism because those aren't prevalent enough to pose a threat to their world view. It's politics. Sociopolitical.

They just hate Christianity on an ideological level.
MrAndMrsX · 51-55, C
@AkioTsukino wow, you're so brainy!
@MrAndMrsX No. You just don't have anything but that to say.
@AkioTsukino

lol could have done without the novel since the definitions you posted demonstrate my point quite well.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Agnostic: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.[
....i.e. a person who lacks a belief in a god.

It's an all squares are rectangles but rectangles aren't squares situation.
@Pikachu
...i.e. a person who lacks a belief in a god.

An atheist is a person who doesn't acknowledge or isn't aware of their own gods. They're not really without gods, they are ignorant of them.

A militant atheist is just a socio-politically frustrated idiot in occidental culture. Militant atheism is really only scientism.
MrAndMrsX · 51-55, C
@AkioTsukino I was being sarcastic. Did you really not pick up on that?
Seriously, there is much more to life than making these mind-numbingly tedious posts that are only intended to show everyone what a mighty intellect you possess.
And please don't call people idiots just because they disagree with you, that's just rude.
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@AkioTsukino

An atheist is a person who doesn't acknowledge or isn't aware of their own gods. They're not really without gods, they are ignorant of them.

Nope.
Wrong.

1) you don't get to change the definition of 'atheist' until you're not wrong anymore and
2) the "gods" you're talking about in that context are not gods in any meaningful sense of the word.
@Pikachu No. Not wrong. You don't know what a god is. There is only one sense of the word, god. It isn't exclusive to the Biblical god for even the Bible itself has many different gods. I don't have to change the definition. Atheists lack belief in God or gods.
@AkioTsukino

I agree that the god of the bible isn't the only kind of god.

So share with me the definition of a god that you feel atheists believe in even if they are unaware.

P.s. While you're here, are you going to take up that challenge i set for you in the evolution thread?
@Pikachu
I agree that the god of the bible isn't the only kind of god.

You don't know what the word means, do you? The dictionary doesn't tell you what the core meaning of the word is, it only gives you commonly used examples. You don't understand that a god can be a mortal human being who undoubtedly exists. It can be an inanimate object like a stick or mountain. It can be a representation of the male or female sex organs. The word means veneration of something held as mighty. That's it. It doesn't have to be supernatural. Doesn't have to have any real power. Doesn't have to exist literally.

You know who I am, right? That here it is okay to change ones avatar and user names? We've had this conversation in great detail.

So share with me the definition of a god that you feel atheists believe in even if they are unaware.

It could be anything or anyone.

P.s. While you're here, are you going to take up that challenge i set for you in the evolution thread?

Uh - I have no idea what you are talking about. What challenge?
@AkioTsukino

It could be anything or anyone.

lol if it can be anything or anyone then the term is meaningless. Literally.

You don't know what the word means, do you?

I really don't lol. Not in the context you're using.
Why don't you give me an example of an atheist god and explain why it should be considered a god.