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I Think Indoctrinating Children With Religion Is Child Abuse

Of course if you believe that indoctrinating children with religion is child abuse then you have to go on to say that indoctrinating them with atheism is also child-abuse. In fact you have to go on to say that indoctrinating them in any way and with any sort of value is child abuse, so let's close down the schools and stop all this indoctrination. Don't indoctrinate your children into road safety - let them find out for themselves what it's like to go under a lorry. I know people who take their child up a football match and indoctrinate them into supporting that team. How terrible that such child-abuse goes on! And for goodness sake don't let your children read books or they might get indoctrinated. And of course the greatest indoctrinater of all is the media. Do no Facebook, Television or Internet, have we got that clear?

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Harriet03 · 41-45, F

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daisymay · 51-55, T

@Speedyman Can't refute the arrogance of Christians, so scream "NO YOU!"? Wow, what an intellectual powerhouse you are. 🙄

Speedyman · 70-79, M

@suzie1960 @daisymay

daisymay · 51-55, T

@Speedyman Use your words, little man. I believe in you!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

SW-User

people have seen what a person looks like after being run over by a lorry, no one has seen heaven or hell as described in the stories. yet you think it's the same thing, that's delusion. It's like telling children santa is real, but only worse because it becomes a reality to them, a story without any basis. reminds me of the guy who shot children in a school because he was angry at god for taking his new born girl. human flaws and religious lies are a terrible mix and your argument is an example of BS

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Pfuzylogic · M

@CookieLuvsBunny
I will google that.
Currently I am dissecting Neuromancer.

Pfuzylogic · M

@CookieLuvsBunny
An atheist, he looks intelligent but I start my life with the scripture; “The just shall live by Faith.” Habukkak 2:4

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Pfuzylogic I don't agree with some of his conclusions but his academic writing is solid

fazer1k · 56-60, M

We should teach children what is known to be true, not nonsense about the existence of mythical creatures. When you have hard evidence that deities exist by all means teach that to children; until then teaching then such nonsense is sheer stupidity.

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Bushranger · 70-79, M

@Speedyman [quote]I cannot think how any intelligent man -I assume you are intelligent - cannot see the point.[/quote]

Bushranger · 70-79, M

@Speedyman "For Brutus is an honorable man."

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman [quote]Just put the chances of that happening[/quote]

The chances of [i]what[/i] happening?

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

[quote]indoctrinating them with atheism[/quote]

Which involves doing absolutely nothing. After all, what are the doctrines that would be taught? What rituals and superstitions would be demonstrated?

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman Try acting your age - or maybe you do.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

@suzie1960

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SW-User

also how is atheism indoctrination? it's the statement that 'I don't know and won't believe until there is evidence'. I don't see the point.

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SW-User

@Speedyman[quote] the fact that Jesus rose from the dead you might just investigate to see whether these things are true [/quote] You argument for Jesus sounds like- if not Jesus, who do you think converted water to wine. That's not evidence, it's a funny story.

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you know history which obviously you don't you would know that it is evangelical Christian's who have led the fight against slavery [/quote]

do you understand that this has nothing to do with the question why Jesus forgot to mention that slavery is wrong while thoroughly criticizing homosexuality?

[quote]All scripture must be first seen in the context it was written. [/quote]

Are you saying this to justify the teaching that women are to be subservient to men, which is connected to the social context of old times? I am sorry, it doesn't sound like a God, one who fails to be relevant when society of humans has progressed in time. [quote] God does not want the child abused because the child is made in his image and God is love. But when men disobey his laws which he has laid down unfortunately these things happen. [/quote] Why didn't God use his free will to save the child again? His excuse is 'unfortunately these things happen'? Oh, ok.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

You have obviously not investigated then - mind you I would expect someone as gullible as you to take someone else's word for it.

Where did Jesus criticise homosexuality? You are up the poll again. Your arguments are futile and pointless

You totally missed the point of my argument as you missed the point of anyone's a argument because your mind is so prejudiced. To a mind like yours any argument is futile because you can't think straight but rather just want to blunder on blindly . Why don't you do some actual proper research and find out these things before you start talking rubbish.

it@SW-User

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BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F

But indoctrination is defined as "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically" which is exactly how religion is taught, you cannot question it in anyway.. whereas education means being taught science which is not something to be "accepted" but rather discussed and understood, you are also taught moral values in a realistic and sensible way unlike religion which teaches you a value in one place and contradicts that very same value on the next page and somehow you need to uncritically accept the two of them while trying to not turn into a schizophrenic person! Teaching a child about road safety is fine, this is not called indoctrination, you know what's not fine? Teaching child about road safety through threatening them that the lorry will smash them if they don't take care, in other words, through intimidation and fear which is the favourite teaching method of religion, or should I say here indoctrination and not teaching? Because via fear you succeed to forbid questioning and this what indoctrination is about, but it is not teaching or guiding, which is what happens in proper schools.

Your story doesn't make any sense, it is comparing education to indoctrination, what's even the similarity between the two?

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

I think you need to actually do some proper study of the issues involved rather than just assuming contradictions that were dreamed up during the 19th century. I apologise if I assumed you were a fundamentalist atheist but that is how your post read . I think you must realise that certainly the Bible is not a scientific book but it's a book for the ages. Because something is not couched in scientific language does not mean it's scientifically inaccurate . I mean, we all say the Sun rises in the east and sets in the west even though that is nonsense scientifically. The point is though it is how we see things. The point is that the creation text of the Bible shows us that God created but doesn't tell us how he created. No doubt God could've given this a highly accurate scientific text but no one would've understood it for about 4000 years. As it is everyone who cares to think can appreciate the creation story as it is timeless [@ MissGaga]

BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F

@Speedyman No, I don't think I need to do proper studies myself, I leave matters to the experts of them. They've done enough studies and know what they are talking about. No use of you pretending to understand every scientific theory and try to imply that you are so perfectly able to see that your bible is CLEARLY in line with modern science! You assumed I was an atheist because like many believers, you felt that my words were a form of "conspiracy" from those atheists! Simply because you didn't like them. Whether what we say about the sun is nonsense or not, that doesn't really prove anything because we are not god and are not scientists either and so if we are inaccurate, that's really okay...! But when you are god, people kinda expect you to be very accurate scientifically since you are the one who created the whole universe, you know O.o Why don't you stop going around the subject as you try to blame it on the "language" of the book, and not the actual content. Do you realise that Muslims have the exact same excuse when faced with scientific challenge? What a coincidence 😅 I find it perfectly fine to slip some brilliant scientific information 4000 years ago so that those arrogant atheists will not have an excuse today and won't be able to accuse believers of being outdated! Or, it would have been a good idea too to at least avoide scientific errors in the bible O.o

Speedyman · 70-79, M

I do wish when some of you people contribute you would actually bring some signs into it rather than banging on with your rather silly criticisms. All it does is show your own prejudice minds and yourlack of ability to reason outside of your own tiny box. You were brought absolutely nothing to the argument with what you've just said except your own negative prejudices. Absolutely pathetic@BittersweetPotato

softspokenman · M

I don't need your religion or your god to live my life as a good man. I don't need to live in fear and guilt for being human. I know the difference between good and bad because I see them both almost everyday of my life. Some religious people are hurting other people. As a loving father I didn't create temptations for my children that I knew one of them would do and then condemn them to eternal damnation in a place named "HELL" (or "Heaven" if they didn't "Sin".) And no one knows where either is located. Will my soul be conscious and aware, feel emotion, pain, and joy, as I do now, after my physical body dies ? I don't see hell as a consequence by being "Indoctrinated" into football, face book, TV or the internet. If that works for you fine but don't condemn me to Your hell if I don't believe in your religion. That doesn't work for me, OK ?

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

I delete posts which are infantile and add nothing to the argument. You are quite ridiculous @fazer1k

Bandit2398 · 51-55, M

@Speedyman you just called this person ridiculous and you’re going to tell me you’re not being rude? Now you are just lying.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Not if it’s true@Bandit2398

Phire1 · 51-55, F

When your crap includes force, then yeah, it's indoctrination. Attending school is a choice. Some people home-school their kids. You wanting to include religious crap in schools, rather than only Church, is force. I agree with you about letting kids find out for themselves! Oh my! Do I want that, yes! Yes, let your kids read books... many of them, not just ONE. At any rate, it's a little contradicting that you are on social media telling people to not use it.

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Phire1 · 51-55, F

@MarmeeMarch Just because he has a profile picture of an elderly man doesn't mean he might be such here.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

I agree. The religious crap and the secular crap and the crap spewed out by atheists with an agenda. Kids need to be informed about truth. @Phire1

EarthlingWise

The opposite of indoctrination is education and reasoning. Education means theories are explained and discussed instead of just being imposed on the learner.

Cmstars · 22-25, F

I agree that parents should teach their kids criticisms of religion as well as sharing their faith with their kids (if they believe). My dad did both. But I'm curious of those who are agnostic/atheist on this thread will do the same towards religion. Are you as open to teaching them as well, so they can make up their own minds regarding this topic?

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling is may not go the other way.

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Pfuzylogic · M

@newjaninev2
Obviously that which you are not familiar with. Matthew 11:25

Speedyman · 70-79, M

If you believe that sort of rubbish then it shows you have got no understanding of what real Christianity is@suzie1960

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman Your memory must be failing, it's not unusual for someone of your age and obviously limited intellect. I know exactly what real christianity is, I used to be one.

SW-User

All Scripture is breathed out by God
and profitable for teaching,
for reproof, for correction,
and for training in righteousness,
that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
For whatever was written in former days
was written for our instruction,
that through endurance and through the encouragement
of the Scriptures we might have hope.
examine/become acquainted... for it will suit you well through your life

verses taken from the book

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SW-User

@Speedyman Sensible people usually don't define sensible people as 'people that agree with me'. you by all standards of reason are the troll here.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Well take your own advice. The post is mine so you are the troll. The problem is with you guys you can't see any further than your own noses@SW-User

SW-User

@Speedyman You're trolling SW.

Bandit2398 · 51-55, M

In order for an action to be child abuse there has to be a negative effect on the kid. I don’t see how teaching a kid atheism or safety rules has any negative effect on them. However if you teach a kid their in danger of going to hell where they suffer eternal torture they can have nightmares. Plus they might grow up with this fear. But religions that don’t teach this would not be abusive.
You’re also loose with the word indoctrinate. When I google define indoctrinate this is what I get.
teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
You can teach safety rules but encourage them to question why these rules are important.
With that said I don’t think we should teach kids religion or atheism. We should teach them to be free thinkers. When they get to an age where they start to have critical thinking skills encourage them to listen to different viewpoints and decide for themselves what they believe. And it’s ok to tell the kid what you believe.
Just my opinion.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Your video disproved nothing. I just object to idiot propaganda posted on my site by discourteous people like yourself. @CookieLuvsBunny

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Phire1 · 51-55, F

Allowing children to make up their own mind is not child abuse. No internet? you're on the internet right now

Speedyman · 70-79, M

I think you miss the irony of my comments @Phire1

Phire1 · 51-55, F

@Speedyman Oh I see what you're trying to get at

softspokenman · M

I am seeing that there is a growing awareness of the hypocrisy and deceit in religion, politics, and business. It is the responsibility of parents to teach their children the Truth.

SW-User

Everyone has the rights to believe in any religion or spiritual thing or not believe in anything. And that includes children. Let them have their own opinions. Teach them about different believes and atheism and then let them decide on what path they wand to go down. My patents taught me about both and my dad taught me about spiritual things and the other religions I learned at school. I chosen to believe and to believe in spiritual things too. Teach them to think for themselves. Even if you don’t agree with their opinions, don’t push yours onto them. Just let them be.

MarmeeMarch · M

Mildred are the grandkids coming over today? Mildred !!!!Mildred !!!!!where are my house slippers Mildred oh boy soup ! Mildred what's that vibrating sound coming from upstairs is that you Mildred are you OK military mildred I think I need my diaper changed again.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Did you actually go tonight school to learn how to be such an idiot and make such stupid comments? To reach a level of ideocracy must take some doing. What's more you are so stupid you actually think you are being clever. Please desist From being so stupid and get some education@MarmeeMarch

MarmeeMarch · M

@Speedyman

MILDRED !!! WHERE IS THE LAXATIVE !!!! Mildred I am going outside for a while in my underwear - if people see me then I don’t care. I want to be free. MILLIE are you listing to me ? I said I was going into the hall closet for 2 hours. MILDRED I am tired where is the dog ?

MarmeeMarch · M

Time for a diaper change and some soup gramps ?

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

I don't think its child abuse but it should be their choice when their old enough .My dad made us go to sunday school and church as kids ,when I got to about 12 I said no and never went again .Seeing adults go to church for forgiveness then going in a pub lighting up and some of the language was crude "what hypocrites".

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

Education is one thing, indoctrination is another. Teaching and enforcing practical safety guidelines is something else, yet again.

I'll probably do what my parents did - provide as many materials as I can and let them figure it out. Greek mythology for children was my first major fascination as a kid.

SW-User

I guess it’s “indoctrination” to teach your kids that unicorns don’t exist, too.

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Bandit2398 · 51-55, M

There have definitely been atheists and religious people who have abused children. Even though this is horrible it’s irrelevant to the point. The question is if it’s abusive teach atheism or religion in and of itself to children.
You think I just imagined children being scared and having nightmares from being taught about hell. If I show you examples of the happening would you then agree that it’s abusive?

BetweenKittensandRiots · 36-40, MVIP

you are a troll. Why are you in this group?

SW-User

but but atheism is so cool now plus everyone 'Intelligent' is like totally into atheism

Pfuzylogic · M

@SW-User
A curious tale for Christmas. 🔔

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Know everyone who is gullible is into atheism@SW-User

MarmeeMarch · M

MILDRED !!! WHERE IS THE LAXATIVE !!!! Mildred I am going outside for a while in my underwear - if people see me then I don’t care. I want to be free. MILLIE are you listening to me ? I said I was going into the hall closet for 2 hours. MILDRED I am tired where is the dog ?

rottenrobi · 56-60, F

I agree completely. We corrupt our children every day with our opinions and beliefs. The schools are the worst of them all.
Well, excerpt religion. I'm not big on organized religion.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Yes. But are you the reasonable one who believes in a rational unverse? 😄@SW-User

Cmstars · 22-25, F

I would argue that you can indoctrinate a child with an ideology. Why is it only religion that gets that tag?

CinnamonWorlds

Good points.

ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M

Your post seems to have brought out the worst in fundamentalist atheism

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Yeah the problem is they do not realise that their atheism is just as unreasoning as any other form of indoctrination @ImperialAerosolKidFromEP

ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M

@Speedyman every time an atheist mouths off online, it's a case study in the pot calling the kettle black

tenente · 100+, M

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Groan! @QuixoticSoul

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Speedyman Sky Daddy is obviously why you’re such a well adjusted individual with no nipple piercings or capacity for reason. Honestly, this is becoming more and more compelling!

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Oh dear! @QuixoticSoul

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