I Think Indoctrinating Children With Religion Is Child Abuse

i don't belueve in teach get children about mythical creatures either. Nor do I belueve in teaching them the lies and irrationalities of atheism. If my kids grew up to think as irrationally ax you do and were as gullible as you are I'd really think I had failed @fazer1k

@Speedyman So you didn't teach you children about your mythical "god"? How about the lies of Santa denial?

@Speedyman It is rational to require evidence in order to believe and irrational to believe just because that's what you have been taught.

You most certainly are teaching children about mythical creatures. Perhaps you are not aware of the meaning of 'mythical'. God, or any other deities are mythical because there is no hard evidence to support their existence.

Gullible? Why don't you look up the meaning of that word too. I'm not the one blindly accepting something for which there is no hard evidence.

You have accepted atheism. No hard evidence that nothing can make something whatever. Completely gullible! @fazer1k

@Speedyman [quote]the lies and irrationalities of atheism[/quote]

Could you provide some examples of that?

@Speedyman Atheism is merely non-acceptance of claims that deities exist on the basis there is no hard evidence. There is nothing for atheists to accept.

There is indeed scientific evidence about how the universe could have come into being. You are wrong.

There is, however, no evidence for the existence of god whatsoever. And if you really believe it's impossible for something to come from nothing then you have just destroyed the notion of your 'god' existing. However unlikely you may think it that the universe was created the way scientists believe, it is even less likely that an intelligent creator came from nothing and created the universe with no materials. And if it did, why did the creator make such a mess of his creation and cause mass extinctions of lifeforms he created? The stupidity of this notion seems to completely escape you. It's hard to believe people in this day and age can still be so indoctrinated by religion as to completely fight against reason and logic.

You are the one who is fighting against reason and logic. It's interesting that atheists throw out any form of logic when they make their daft statements. With a logic a highly designed mechanism must have a designer but you throw that out and say it is designed by unguarded forces which of never been known to design anything. You are the sort of person who is Logic says that a tornado in a junkyard can produce a jumbo jet. Yet you accuse others of a lack of logic. You are the one who is gullible enough to swallow the stuff that the new spew out yet it s other people who have been indoctrinated. Know if you will please stop being a troll and return to address the question I originally asked I would be gratefulat@fazer1k

@Speedyman a highly designed mechanism must have a designer

That's a tautology.

[quote]Logic says that a tornado in a junkyard can produce a jumbo jet[/quote]

Really? How so? I would have taught that simple probability would logically prelude such a thing.

@Speedyman I don't think you get his argument. You can't justify by introducing a creator, the sophistication of the Universe, because you are then claiming the existence of a separate entity whose image we are, no less sophisticated, that came into existence by its own free will. That doesn't solve anything because you are assuming such a thing can exist. Not proving it. Not providing any evidence for it. If a creator can exist without being created by a separate creator, then so can the Universe, so, you see, that's not an answer. An assumption is not an answer.

@SW-User Hypothesizing a creator merely introduces another level, it doesn't provide an answer. Any explanation of the origin of a creator might just as well be applied to the universe, thus rendering the hypothesis redundant. Theists have trouble understanding that simple truism.

Now you are getting ridiculous invoking the old school question with who created God. The God of the Bible is eternal. Because you can't understand the concept doesn't mean it's u true@suzie1960

Frankly I don't think you understand anything at all. @SW-User

@Speedyman That renders your god hypothesis redundant as we can simply say the universe is eternal. We know it's expanding so we can work back to an "eternal" singularity. That should be obvious to a "trained scientist" like you. :)

You are such a pathetic non-thinker. You are one of these small-minded people who think that because we know the mechanism we can dispense with the agency. And that is not a pre-requisite of science. As Kepler said science is thinking God's thoughts after him. Knowing the effect does not rule out the cause, apart from in the eyes of people who don't think@suzie1960

@Speedyman Umm, you appear to be confounding causation and causality

Not at all. Because we know the mechanism does not rule out the need of the agency@newjaninev2

@Speedyman That merely begs the question. You first need to establish that there is a need for agency (this'll be interesting)

@Speedyman Your answer actually raises more questions than it answers. It raises the question- what causes such a being (creator) to exist. You might say that the creator exists by his free will and then the question is why is there a creator with such a free will. Basically, the correct answer to the question of why a creator exists or should exist would be - as an attempt at explaining the existence of the observable universe. But do you see that it doesn't answer why anything at all should exist? Do you see the circularity in your argument - 'Universe exists because creator exists, creator exists because otherwise I can't think of why Universe exists- creator and creation exist because of each other'. This is not an argument to explain existence. Take a moment from trying to insult everyone who disagrees with you and read what is the objection to your argument.

@Speedyman More childish insults I see. Is that really the best you can do?

You basically are trying to get me to explain the mysteries of God. Sorry, not up to that one@SW-User

@suzie1960 have you got that on cut and paste?

@Speedyman No. I am trying futilely to have you say anything that would sound reasonable. Explain me the mysteries of God, you mean you know some secret not in the Bible? Sorry but that sounded hilarious.

Yes informed logic would sound hilarious to somebody like you@SW-User

@Speedyman 'you don't know it because it's a mystery which I know', or 'you are stupid because you don't agree with me' are not logical arguments. Do you realize that?

[quote]You are the sort of person who is Logic says that a tornado in a junkyard can produce a jumbo jet.[/quote]

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Nothing in the universe shows signs of engineering - no nuts and bolts, no tools needed. This is yet more stupidity from you.

And resorting to calling me a troll does not detract from the inane nature of your argument for a creator; it merely proves you are unable to refute my points (or any one else's, for that matter) with logic and reason. @Speedyman