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I Think Indoctrinating Children With Religion Is Child Abuse

Of course if you believe that indoctrinating children with religion is child abuse then you have to go on to say that indoctrinating them with atheism is also child-abuse. In fact you have to go on to say that indoctrinating them in any way and with any sort of value is child abuse, so let's close down the schools and stop all this indoctrination. Don't indoctrinate your children into road safety - let them find out for themselves what it's like to go under a lorry. I know people who take their child up a football match and indoctrinate them into supporting that team. How terrible that such child-abuse goes on! And for goodness sake don't let your children read books or they might get indoctrinated. And of course the greatest indoctrinater of all is the media. Do no Facebook, Television or Internet, have we got that clear?

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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

indoctrinating them with atheism

Which involves doing absolutely nothing. After all, what are the doctrines that would be taught? What rituals and superstitions would be demonstrated?

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Telling someone there is no God is indoctrination. @newjaninev2

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman This is what I told my daughter whenever some or other indoctrinator tried to infect her with their particular religion.

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, live your life accordingly (she did... she's an still as much an atheist as when she was born).

In there, have I told her that there are no gods?

Speedyman · 70-79, M

That is in indoctrination. It is actually what my wife was taught too but thankfully she saw the fallacy behind such illogical reasoning@newjaninev2

SW-User

@Speedyman nah, you don't know what is indoctrination. indoctrination is when you teach people your beliefs. it's not indoctrination when you tell people that something can't be proven or disproven, is anyway a redundancy and that they should find the truth dor themselves. try to make at least some sense. yoh know you're being ridiculous.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman

illogical reasoning

Please detail the illogic within my reasoning

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Read CS Lewis' Mere Christianity @newjaninev2

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman I'd prefer it if you would just detail the illogic within my reasoning

Speedyman · 70-79, M

That will show you how illogical your reasoning is - if you want to be shown, of vourse, which I doubt@newjaninev2

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman

Telling someone there is no God is indoctrination. @newjaninev2

How does that differ from telling a child there is no Santa Claus or no Tooth Fairy etc. etc? Do you believe in Santa? There's no proof He doesn't exist.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Absolutely no proof of atheism either yet Dawkins &Eco try indoctrinating peopke as do you@suzie1960

SW-User

@Speedyman proof of atheism? what do you mean by proof of atheism?

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman Atheism needs no proof. It simply a matter of not believing in something for which there is no evidence. It's like Russell's Teapot but you've already shown that concept is beyond your intellectual limits.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

If you knew anything about it you would know there is no proof there is no God which Is a belief of atheists@SW-User

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Oh no not the dreaded teapot again. Can't you think of anything better than that nonsense@suzie1960

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman

if you want to be shown

Well, I've twice asked you to show me... now thrice

Speedyman · 70-79, M

I've told you. Read Lewis. Or doesn't your curiosity stretch beyond the Internet@newjaninev2

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman As I said, the concept is beyond your intellect. Can you prove or even offer some evidence that Russell's Teapot does not exist?

Speedyman · 70-79, M

The concept is not beyond my intellect but it's an insult to my intellect as most of Russells statements are concerning religion@suzie1960

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Speedyman Your hero, C S Lewis, isn't exactly an impartial source.

I ask again, can you offer any evidence whatsoever that Russell's Teapot does not exist? Are having difficulty understanding the question?

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman there is no proof there is no God which Is a belief of atheists

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)

Where in there can you identify a belief that there is no god?

SW-User

@Speedyman atheists don't believe there is no God. There is no evidence for no God. your claims and arguments are fundamentally wrong. exactly what religion does for you.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman

I've told you. Read Lewis

Yes, you've told me to Read Lewis, and you've told me that my reasoning is illogical.

What you haven't told me is any details around that claim

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Well as there is no God then all reasoning to you will be illogical as you are the product of chance unguided forces @newjaninev2]

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Speedyman are you now saying that there is no god? That's a claim I haven't made.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Don't you guys understand irony! (Groan) or anything?@newjaninev2

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