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Why marxism is demonized so much?

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@IstillmissEP Actually you resorted to ad hominem not me and I never said anything about the numbers. I pointed out that it blows up your argument by proving all people are capable of horrible things and doesn't support your claim that it is even slightly unique to marxist nations.

I hope you never have to defend a thesis. If you respond with arguments like this it will not go well.
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@IstillmissEP No point debating someone living in an echo chamber.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Because it is an absolute failure
Sicarium · 46-50, M
It's probably all the mass murder, death camps, gulags, destruction of wealth, and regression of society.
Sicarium · 46-50, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Actually, yeah, I would win the body count game. Mainly because I don't have to go back to the French Revolution and lie about what capitalism is to do it. I can simply point to every single marxist society ever.

And I really couldn't care less what idiotic assumptions you have to make to stroke that ego. You are a marxist after all, you guys don't deal with reality that well. Hence why you're all marxists to begin with.

Bonus advice: get off Wikipedia. Go plot the oppression of the masses or whatever.
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Sicarium · 46-50, M
@SW-User That whataboutism though.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Understanding that communism and marxism are not the same thing...

Marxism is demonized frankly because people tend not to understand what it actually says. Marxism is not communism, Marxism is a framework for looking at the world, particularly capitalism.

Communism is a conclusion of Marxism - and communism has generally resulted in dictatorships which is kinda defeating the whole point of the idea.

Frankly I still think a form of communism is a good idea because capitalism is coming apart at the seams and we need to see what comes next - but what's been done on a large scale to date has not worked as intended and people need to recognize that.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula this man right here always knows!
DownTheStreet · 51-55, M
It’s such a great system in that it allows everyone to live equally in poverty, not just some. Except for the rulers who always live in luxury.

I mean that’s the way it actually works versus manuscript idealist
bowman81 · M
In a nutshell, it has never worked...anywhere.
firefall · 61-69, M
because the results of applying it in the real world have been universally horrible, to a degree difficult to even exaggerate.
Stalin's slave labor gulags, mass executions, etc etc.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
@MrBlueGuy can I have a list of these wonderful things?
@Gangstress That's a great question! Have a t-shirt! 👕
@MrBlueGuy Nitpick. By your logic we should judge capitalist countries by the French Revolution, Pinochet,Saudi Arabia,Fascist Italy and Spain and Hitler.
SW-User
Because it’s based on an unattainable level of idealism that goes against our basest instincts as human beings. Even when there have been attempts to practice it, it still ends up falling way short of succeeding as a result of people competing over finite resources. I don’t think human beings will ever be capable of a Star Trek type of society where there are limitless shared resources that benefit everyone. It’s just not realistic, which is why it fails. Those failures have been catastrophic, which is why it’s demonized.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@SW-User which reminds me, for as utopian as the federation is, they still face threats that could very well remove them from existence and then where would that system be.
msros · F
It is a failed ideology.
msros · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Why have countries not adopted it if it is so successful?
@msros plenty have and several are still around but the only ones you hear about are the ones that are failing and or merely pay lip service to marxist because it fits a political narrative. Some were destroyed from the outside for purely ideological and propaganda purposes. Also many of the problems experienced in many of those nations are the direct and deliberate result of external sabotage. I don't care what ideology a country follows if the world's largest economy is actively looking to ruin you it is not going to end well.
msros · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Would like to hear that.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Because people rely on YouTube videos to dumb everything down for them because they're not going to read Marx themselves.

When that happens, you only have different peoples interpretations to begin with. Most people only form their views through other people, they're not going to sit down and attempt to decipher something when people can just tell them what to think.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
If you actually read Marx, it's mostly an economic critique of capitalism. A pretty good one too.
firefall · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 yes, I have little problem with old Karl's critique, most of it is still 100% on the mark. The solution I feel he never gave much thought to, and lots of people have tried it, with universally lamentable results.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Marxism is... big - and most people only have a shallow perspective.

Marx the communist revolutionary is easy to dislike, and the products of his efforts in that direction did not turn out well. But to appreciate his contributions to economics and philosophy, you have to put in a whole lot of effort, and be able to put things in their proper context. Couple this contrast with a century+ worth of propaganda, and you get the current situation.
curiosi · 61-69, F
Is it?? That was Obama's dream and many have their firmly planted up his ass.
Mostly because the [b]practice[/b] has fallen so short of the theory, wherever it’s been attempted. Like with most idealism, human greed has corrupted it.
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revenant · F
Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot....
CharlieZ · 70-79, M
@revenant and Groucho.
Azrael2 · 22-25, T
It's good in theory but it goes against the individualistic nature of man and everything that makes someone a human :3
Azrael2 · 22-25, T
@ViciDraco they still need to have a sense of being their own person
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Azrael2 but economics isn't required for that. A number of tribes have been found that do not have concepts of private property.

The problem is we've been trained to identify who we are by what we have and what work we do. The greatest tragedy of our age is that economics was supposed to be a tool to serve humans but it has turned out that humans have become slaves to economy. We don't need stuff to be individuals. We don't need jobs to be individuals. But people today are so out of touch with people, that we know no other way.
Azrael2 · 22-25, T
I was talking about it from a psychological perspective, I should've made that clear 😅 @ViciDraco I'm not saying that an individualistic society is any better than a communistic society. Both have seen many successes and downfalls and there's a middle ground that should be found:

https://www.academia.edu/2087351/The_psychology_of_individualism
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Marx only existed in theory.

He denys individuals exist.

He believed only groups existed.

He was not a well person.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
Because people confuse it with stalinism.
Crazychick · 36-40, F
@HannibalAteMeOut Why?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/1946/02/aleksandrov.htm
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Crazychick I'll have to read all of it sometime!
dondon · M
Because of the US propaganda during the cold war against communism.
revenant · F
Marxism sounds good on paper but is contrary to human nature.
Cierzo · M
It has not been demonized enough. It is the most divisive ideology in human history, calling for war between humans on the crazy basis of class struggle. Fascism has been much more demonized when it has some good points like fighting the international banking system, and patriotic values.
firefall · 61-69, M
@Cierzo oh fucking jesus wept
BlackHeart · 31-35, M
Is that like sexism but for marks?
looks good on paper....... lets everybody work hard and share what we have. sounds great. and then you actually have to implement it.
I'm pretty sure in Russia in the 1920s there were posters telling people not to eat their children.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MrBlueGuy During the civil war? Possible, but doubt it.
SW-User
Much of it is wrong and led to the Soviet Union and all of that nightmare.
CharlieZ · 70-79, M
Because of Groucho.
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Rich people control the media, and thus the narrative. Simple as that really
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
because Marx was a dirty hippy
Crazychick · 36-40, F
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Crazychick teeter totter
Crazychick · 36-40, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand I see. I saw. See-saw. Lol :)
Gangstress · 41-45, F
Really? You're asking this question? Sorry but, really?
Thezehra · 26-30, F
@Gangstress im reading a book "cultural studies, keyworks"
Gangstress · 41-45, F
@Thezehra Haha dunno. Its just I like my individuality
Because most people have no idea what it is.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow no most people know what it is and reject it
@MasterLee No most people who have no clue what it is have rejected it in west in particular because people here generally accept cold war propaganda without question.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Crazychick · 36-40, F
I don't think it is, is it?
Alfarrobas · 31-35, M
It isn't. Just outdated.
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