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Those who don’t believe climate change is man-made, what happens when we run out of fossil fuels?

I understand your position is that pollution doesn’t significantly hurt either the environment or people’s health, and that clean energy will hurt the economy or in some way reward lazy people; however, you don’t deny, do you, that fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource? Or that we are rapidly running out of them? So, I mean, isn’t renewable energy inevitable? So mightn’t we just as well go ahead and make the transition now since it’s going to have to happen anyway? Just something I was wondering about at work this afternoon.
It does indeed seem that there is no legitimate argument for not moving to sustainable energy sources.
@hippyjoe1955

Given our current technology? I'm not sure if there is one.

But you've clearly missed the point, joe.

The fact is that our current model is based on a non-renewable resource.
That's a fact.
That means that we will not be able to keep using it. The only thing to do is to move to renewable energy sources.

If you have an alternative, please share it with is. It could be world changing.
Go on.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu The point is that unless and until we come up with a real alternative there is no alternative. You wouldn't survive a week if the power went out.
@hippyjoe1955

lol 🎶Wroooooong!🎵

The point is that our current model for energy production is unsustainable and whatever the current limitations may be, we need to move towards a sustainable energy source or risk the collapse of our civilizations as we know it.

And nah. I've actually been lucky enough to have quite a lot of training in sustainable living, outdoor survival, felling and shelter making. I can make pretty much everything i need as long as i can start with a knife.
The only thing i lack is animal husbandry.

I'd be fine, son😎👍
4meAndyou · F
We will run out of fossil fuels. That's just a fact. It is also a fact that lobby groups and big oil and gas are not going to allow us to re-tool infrastructure to electric transportation re-charging stations until they are good and done and don't have anything left to sell.

It is also true that Germany has gone over to their new climate change plan and they are not in the negative as one would expect. I'm not sure why. I heard it on the news and didn't follow up with my own research.

Greenhouse gas emissions from China account for 25.9% of all the world's emissions, so they really need to get their act together over there. I can't find any articles with recent data. Everything is from 2017, 2015 and 2014.
4meAndyou · F
@sunsporter1649 I think you must be a genius!!! We can send it all to AOC!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@4meAndyou Perhaps she can use it to power those trains to Hawaii....
4meAndyou · F
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JP1119 · 36-40, M
@waleskinder Do you deny that it’s a non-renewable resource?
bookerdana · M
Look,even ignoring the climate change debate,do we want all the lakes and air polluted. We need a steam powered car
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@bookerdana Burn food for the production of energy? I can think of better uses for food.
bookerdana · M
Oil already used is perfect..you don't read well,eh?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@bookerdana Don't work to well in most engins, specific heat capacity is too low. Lot less bang for the buck, you might say.
annie616pop · 26-30, F
To acquire a definitive answer to your questions we need to consult Donald Trump and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez while they're on a date at McDonalds.

If you can them apart from locking lips that is!
😲 😊
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@annie616pop Hey, McDonald’s is good enough for the college football champs, Trump must think it’s good enough for a date!
annie616pop · 26-30, F
@JP1119 Yep, with enough burgers to fuel him I hear he's a pretty mean salsa dancer....which makes Alex swoon!
The cost to re-tool refineries would be in the trillions. Another issue is that 90% or more of every single thing made has a petroleum product in it somewhere somehow.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@RenaissanceMan Platics are really what we’d be wise to be saving petroleum [i]for[/i].
@QuixoticSoul I assume you meant plastics. Right. I agree.
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
The business structure won’t change,im pretty certain of that. There will be no free energy even if we switch from fossil fuels for something else
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@Bagalamaga But most anything else we could switch to would at least be cleaner than fossil fuels.
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
@JP1119 the switch costs a lot of money,that’s why it’s gradual. It is happening worldwide
xixgun · M
We’ll all be long dead, so don’t worry your pretty little head.
We will never run out. The Bible says so.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
The Permian Basin was a massive find, from what I was given to understand a few years ago, and there’s a huge reservoir below Nebraska that’s supposed to dwarf even that, with the problem being method of extraction from as deep as it’s situated.

With that being said, I’d love to see a wholesale switch to Green energy.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
We never will. We’ll just run out of cheap ones.

The climate change argument is sound, but relative abundance of fossil fuels is why we can’t count on the market to solve this problem.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Clone some dinosaurs.

Drill for oil on Mars.
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JP1119 · 36-40, M
@sunsporter1649 I didn’t spend much time, but a quick Google search didn’t confirm your claim; however, what you say makes sense, so let’s assume that you’re right, the charging stations do run on fossil fuels. We don’t need as many charging stations as cars, so transitioning to electric cars does not completely eliminate, but it [i]reduces[/i] our reliance on fossil fuels. And that’s the goal.

So was that the point you were trying to make? That because electric cars are still somewhat dependent on fossil fuels that it’s a bad idea for people to buy them/use them?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@JP1119 Does not matter to me what you purchase for your own personal transportation, just do not try and force your particular ideology upon others. My current vehicle gets 52 mpg, and I would never suggest everyone use my form of transportation upon everyone.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@sunsporter1649 I don’t think anyone is suggesting banning fossil fuel cars altogether any time soon. One day we’ll get there, but probably not in your or my lifetime. In the meantime it’s not unreasonable to start to regulate carbon emissions as we gradually work toward cleaner energy. If your vehicle is causing harm to the ozone that protects us all from the sun and to the air that we all breathe, then legal regulations are justified. If that’s what you call “forcing my ideology on others” then tough shit.

 
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