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To the conservatives here

If Trump can declare a national emergency and build a wall, what is to stop a Democrat President from declaring a national emergency and confiscating certain guns?
CopperCicadaM
It's interesting on how most of the comments fixated on guns and not the meta-issue that the abuse of executive power is now maxed out. Not something Trump started. There's been a long pattern. But this is a whole... other... level...
SW-User
@MasterLee It is for the moment. Let this serve as a warning sign or foreshadowing for the future.
MasterLee56-60, M
@SW-User most democrats do not think. They just wait for the media to tell them what their thoughts are.
CopperCicadaM
@MasterLee Not really. Anything can be made a national emergency.
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SW-User
@Greybare Americans don't really want a wall. Most who follow politics knows it's a waste of money that is better spent elsewhere.
SW-User
@Greybare It's 2018. Just because you type it... doesn't make it true.
MarineBob56-60, M
@SW-User yeah, personally I'd rather have a wall of lead right there
easterniowegin51-55, M
Too many things wrong with dems thinking here...
Rifle registration is not required, so they dont know who has those guns. Will they pay some workforce to go door to door looking through houses for certain types of guns? Or will it be an emergency that allows an optional turn-in? Lmao, why cant dems use common sense?!

Unreasonable search and seizure in addition to infringing on the right to bear arms. . . Bye, bye Bill of Rights
Budwick70-79, M
@SW-User [quote]if the wall works, I will eat my words and claim it as a big Trump achivment [/quote]

Well, I'm delighted to report that EVERY where there is a barrier along the border, they are experiencing great success. I see no reason to expect something different from new barriers.

You don't need to eat anything, or even apologize.
You COULD stop complaining though. Thank you.
easterniowegin51-55, M
@SW-User in what way is the wall only a personal gain?? And why do so many rank and file dems say that a wall wont work? Where in the world does a wall not work? And how long have dems been against any kind of regulation? This is simply regulation of the border. Seems like dems are more worried that a wall might work and less worried that it wont.
SW-User
@easterniowegin I'm libertarian haha but I see this as a huge waste of money. If it works, I will give credit to Trump.
Heartlander80-89, M
2nd amendment: "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Where is the constitutional bill or amendment that gives aliens a right to sneak into the US?
SW-User
@Heartlander The 2nd amendment is already infringed upon when you start banning certain guns and stocks.
MasterLee56-60, M
Lets have one on freeloaders next or violent assembly.
Tminus6453M
@SW-User Haha...Eh, I still like my idea better..馃槒
SW-User
@Tminus6453 We're still besties anyways haha
Tminus6453M
@SW-User 馃槈
windinhishair61-69, M
Trump's non-emergency won't pass court scrutiny. If it did, the next Democratic president in 2021 could simply declare a national gun violence emergency and establish mandatory background checks, outlaw assault weapons and large magazines, and other gun controls. Nothing would be able to stop him/her.
zerofuks2give41-45, M
@daisymay it鈥檚 the same fucking thing. Jesus christ are you having a bad day or are you always this goddamn snarky? I鈥檝e tried to be nice but fuck this I鈥檓 out 馃憢馃憢馃憢
daisymay51-55, T
@zerofuks2give So now you're back to it IS made up? Make up your mind, flip-flop.
daisymay51-55, T
@zerofuks2give Oh, and you should really calm down. Perhaps smile more?
cherokeepatti61-69, F
Voters who vote conservative
ScabbyHeart46-50, M
@cherokeepatti Technically Trump did not win by a popular vote he won the electoral college vote... not the conservative vote.

IF gerrymandering and Electoral college ever get fixed - we will see a return to true republic democracy not the corporate controlled sham we have now...

BTW - SAME wasteful politicians making money off the wall as well... check the campaign finance donations from Large construction co like Bechtel... against those who support the wall...

234 extra miles of wall are not stopping anyone on a 1,900 mile border (including gang members drug mules) from claiming amnesty when they set foot US soil

Deal with our immigration policy FIRST! But then you would have to deal with all our US corporation wanting all that CHEAP labor force that artificially keeps minimum wages down...

ppfffftttttt!
MarmeeMarchM
@MasterLee I suppose Mt Rush is racist too according to the libs.
MasterLee56-60, M
@ScabbyHeart what needs fixed exactly? We are a republic.
sunrisehawk61-69, M
Let's see...

Constitution gives national security as part of the duties of our Federal Government. The argument can be made that securing the border is a part of that.

Constitution enumerates the rights of citizens and includes the 2nd amendment which specifically deals with guns.

The Constitution is the founding document that all laws and acts must not be in conflict with.

That should answer many questions.
SW-User
@sunrisehawk Security does not mean boarder like gun freedom does not mean snipers. As you maybe noticed, I said confiscating certain guns. Not all. They can make an argument about it protecting human safety and still allowing some guns.
sunrisehawk61-69, M
@SW-User You have an interesting argument.

"Security does not mean boarder..." What is security if not controlling who enters our nation? It isn't all by any stretch, but to pretend that borders aren't some part of security?

"...gun freedom does not mean snipers." Snipers are people. They can use any firearm and have. If your going to use the argument that it is about protecting people, then you're going to end up confiscating everything as guns (especially when suicide is removed) are down the list of methods of killing and harming other people.
SW-User
@sunrisehawk Sorry, I meant to type boarder wall and sniper rifle. Haha
katielassF
They can try but it will be an unsuccessful attempt. But your point is taken. The fact is, every president since jimmy carter has declared national emergencies and only once did it have anything to do with national security. That was in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks.
Heartlander80-89, M
@katielass If Hillary was president instead of Trump, it's very possible that she would have attempted to confiscate firearms via the national emergency process.

And with the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer cheering her on, I would think she probably would do that.
katielassF
@Heartlander It would not surprise me. But like I said, they can try. Doesn't really make sense though. You'd think if there was a real national emergency the government would be passing out guns. We already know that the odumbo admin tried to buy up all the ammo and guns. lol
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windinhishair61-69, M
@Greybare There is no invasion. Border crossings are at a 47-year low. Trump has done nothing for two years in office, and let the government shut down instead of declaring one. All of the facts will come out in court, and Trump will lose. He even admitted that he is only doing this to get things done faster. His own statements will undermine him in court.
Graylight51-55, F
@windinhishair There are none so blind as those who won't see, and Greybare lives in the dark.
We have a National Emergency with poverty, homeless, hunger, healthcare, mental illness, education, greed, deceit, hatred, murder, rape, and an insatiable ego in the WH.
SW-User
There isn't anything, it's ridiculous for any President to have abilities as such.
SW-User
@Tminus6453 Hahaha Welcome!
Tminus6453M
@SW-User Haha Thanks..im a little late to the party so i have alot of catchin up to do...馃憖馃イ
MarmeeMarchM
I think you need some numbers - sure there is gun violence but not every single gun is or has killed someone -
cherokeepatti61-69, F
@MarmeeMarch they don鈥檛 keep statistics on the number of times guns have saved a life or saved someone from getting raped or held a criminal till the police got there.
MarmeeMarchM
@cherokeepatti tell me about it.
MorbidCynicF
Well they can just buy illegal fire arms then. It鈥檚 not hard.
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SW-User
A civil war if needed.
That National Gun group that runs America will stop that. Too much money made from gun sales of all guns.
SW-User
It's harder because of the 2nd amendment.
SW-User
@SW-User 2nd amendment is already infringed upon.
SW-User
@SW-User partially... each change is always reviewed.
SW-User
Fear of mass murder.

 
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