Is the U.S. headed for another civil war?

@MistyCee I think Roe is safe, some Republicans went for assurances before backing him. The time was close to up...they were losing their window.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-least-worst-option-is-if-kavanaugh-withdraws-and-soon/

@okaybut Roe is likely to continue to die a slow death, and it makes a nice talking point for both sides, but the abortion issue is really just part of the landscape, like a hill that gets taken and retaken by other sides.

This is a fight about power, and federalism is a part of it as well, by the left with desegregation and things like Roe, and now by the right with the Second Amendment, but the battle hasnt bloodied the Court since FDR, and we've never had a man like Trump in office before.

He doesn't give a crap about abortion. He was pro choice once, and he doesn't give a hoot about conservative values or even the country in the long term. Charitably, he's a pragmatist, who's only interest is winning, but by that, he means winning for himself, at all costs, and with zero regard for anyone but himself.

As far as the GOP goes, any candidate Trump puts up in the next three years is likely to continue to kill Roe with small cuts, but Kavanaugh is kind of unique because he's likely to protect Trump while any other conservative judge might take a less favorable view towards protecting a sitting president from judicial process and the use of the pardon power for state crimes.

This move is pure Trump. He got a judge he thinks is personally loyal to him on the Court, and one who he expects will help him down the road.

Honestly, until that last hearing, I was resigned to a pro life leaning judge, but that last hearing showed me we're getting something else entirely.

Kavanaugh himself might not act out the worst non-judicial influences and contempt for the Senate he showed at the hearings when he's on the bench, but the fact that he could show then, and that 50 Senators don't mind it, as long as he's one of them and not one of us, is horrific.

@MistyCee Well said.

@Sarin and you are just another liberal crybaby

@Mountainlady16 I'm not crying. I'm in a rage and right now all I see is red. I'm not the only one. Hang on tight.

@Sarin y cause schumer and Feinstein attempt to keep kavanaughs appt from happening didn't work. To quote the liberals lord and Savior Obama elections have consequences

@pagandad And I'm telling you, old man, that it doesn't matter. Our numbers and bullets trump yours. By the way, must've sucked fighting a war for no reason. Tell us more about it. Also, if you think being a vet entitles you to my respect, remember I think you're a piece of shit despite your service. Backing a russian agent over your own people is treason.

@Sarin sonyiy only feel comfortable fighting a woman ? Too much of a wimp for man?

@TexChik I fight men all the time. MMA does that to ya. I don't discriminate based on gender. It's a goddamn war.

@Sarin pfft ... you haven’t the discipline to be anything but a mouthy wimp

@Mountainlady16 Yeah I can see that. I have a sister who is siding with all the lefties and spewing her stuff on Facebook...can't go around her.

@cherokeepatti most my family is conservative but we have a few leftist mostly on my dads side

@SW-User This is why it's worse.

@Sourdad I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying a lot more flashpoints have to accumulate before we're even close to 1968. However, the current leadership is much worse than the Johnson administration was in 1968. Maliciousness trumps ineptitude as far as that goes. I think we're close to agreeing, but I just need to see more before I'm there.

@SW-User [quote]I think the wildcard that didn't exist in 1968 is the fact that we have a sitting president who might be ok with violence as long as the right people were getting hurt.[/quote]

I agree with you on how Mushroom Head feels, but his followers consist of a couple primary groups:

1. The Corporate Heads / Wealthy, who want to maximize their wealth. They are not going to take part in any war.

2. The hillbillies, who think they have guns, and as such, they will kick liberals' butts. These idiots will not be going up against liberals, but against law enforcement, and we know how that usually works.

@Sarin how do they buy beer orciggarettes or attend an r rated movie then. How do they drive a car or get a job. Or he'll get their fs and wic all requite id

@Mountainlady16 Sure, those require IDs and they should but to tell everyone that they need to have an ID wherever they go is a glaring overreach and fucked up.

@Sarin it's to make sure no criminal is just walking around

@redredred this is the idiot that didn't know difference between a democracy and a republic

In my opinion, details are confidential. I'll leave it at, "I'm armed"@Sarin

@redredred @redredred Very true.

@Sarin really cause most liberals are sissy boys who get offended at the first site of a real man

@Sarin I mean dude do you even own a gun we're pacifist but we own 4

@Mountainlady16 I own guns. More than 3 actually. My whole family does and believe me I'm no pacifist.

Like I've said before. It goes up and down, it happens. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

@Mountainlady16 a lot of women are running this year

@tiggerandariel13 they are there was a woman running for the TN governorship she lost the primary

@St0ut So how do you explain the taking of children from their parents and never giving them back?

Exactly. Right That practice was stopped by the courts. Via separation of powers.

The courts made rules sure, but they still have hundreds of kids with no parents. They may never see their parents again.

@okaybut We held the popular vote last time, [b]before[/b] Trump basically embarrassed our country with scandal after scandal. The Republicans would want to get rid of their [b]racist[/b] right connections. Difficult with the POTUS leading them.

@bijouxbroussard But not enough to overtake the smaller states and the Electoral College (48.2% to about 49% should do it). I am not sure the Republicans can shed their racist right. And that means the Democrats could very easily win the next election if they just move to a more moderate ideology and connect with the working poor (ie. the swing states that Trump very masterfully took last election).

@Mountainlady16 Actual confederates said that before. Didn't learn a single lesson from that did ya?

@Mountainlady16 what does "the south will rise again" mean to you?

@Sarin you obviously didn't take us government in school. Let me guess you were public school educated I ran into quite a few of those especially since starting university usually no independent thought just trained to pass tests

@Sarin How so?

@okaybut Arguably, it was a democracy when it happened the [b]last[/b] time.

@bijouxbroussard good point

@St0ut Even those who [b]are[/b] demonic ?🤔

@bijouxbroussard would gladly discuss this in pm as to not fan flames.

When you say truth, do you mean the objective, factual truth or your made up bullshit?