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Does anyone really think Trump would do an okay job as president ?

I don't. I think America is screwed. We're better off with a monkey doing the job.
Please be kind. No cursing, name calling, etc. This is supposed to be a FRIENDLY debate.
carpediem · 61-69, M
I do. The man has accomplished plenty in his life. You can't develop and own some of the most iconic buildings in world without having the skill to work with people. Like him or not, he's well qualified to be a chief executive.
1961dave · 61-69, M
NearMiss, the only reason to think Trump is a bigot is because you believe lies. They say he's a bigot because he wants Mexicans to immigrate legally, and they say he's a bigot because the refugees are raping lots of women in other countries. Your typical Muslim immigrant won't do that, so apparently a lot of these mostly male immigrants are ISIS members. If the ISIS members get into the states they will rape, and commit terrorist acts! Trump doesn't try to say popular things, he says what he feels needs to happen. Everything Hillary says is said to try to get votes!


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7557/germany-rape-migrants-crisis
FORMERLYbatovn · 56-60, M
im in my 50s and this is the first election that i know of in history where we are better off voting for NONE OF THE ABOVE and tell them to go looking somewhere else........
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hami1091 · 41-45, F
Better than Hillary but either way we are screwed.
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Chrisredfeild · 46-50, M
Monkey=Obama
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
Dave
Trump said if she wasn't his daughter he sleep with her.
He would sleep with someone who is ... well the age if his daughter. It may have been a poor word choice (I hope it was). Did he retract it, I don't belive so.
Check the quote again.

Any charges against Hilary no.
Did I say she was perfect, no actually the oposite.

Trump has also been investigate by the treasury board and Exchange commission several times. Did I say he was a crook because if ghat, no I didn't. No covictions. I'm not saying he was charged or convicted. Trump university is under FBI investigation as well.

Last time I checked the US had a belief in innocence til proven guilty. She IS not a criminal unill conviction. She has never been charged.

I'll update my opinion on either of them if either are charged or covictions are made.

Losing all your money is a good business move. Interesting opinion. Many financial experts have said trump would have more money today if he put his money into a saving account when he was 22,as that would have made more money over the years. I haven't done the calculation,I can't validate it.

I'm interested in your opinion that losing all your money multiple times is a good business decision.
Tell me more.

The good policy he made was to change his position on abortion 2 times in less than 24 hours?

Hillary has some sad policies, but she has had them and followed them for a life time. She is consistent of nothing else.

Trump will build a wall? Really?
What will that do? Wgar diez that look like? Doesn't matter. He has changed his mind on that too.

What about his policy and restrictions on imigration, right changed that one as well.

I'm not surprised that a trump supporter resorts to name calling when challanged with though and rational conversation. A cry baby just like Trump himself.

Nothing i said is a "lie" as you suggested. I gave an opinion when asked.
I suggested to do research and not go based on comments on the internet. Are you also against research?

I am really happy to not live in the US. Thank youyou for reminding of that.You unfortunately have a chioce of 2 poor candidates. Both have serious problems and challanges.
I think maybe he ia actually what the country needs

Hillary will be just more Obama policy

Trump I think might be good for the economy because he knows whats needed because of his business experience also he looks like a bafoon in his campaigning because he is a new comer to political campaigns so is trying to be populist.

As president he would have all kinds of advisors who have been round the block and a cabinet of experienced people so I think as president he would be ok

At worst kick him out in 4 years

Neither he or Hillary are great but I think he is the best of the bad bunch
I don't think Trump is a bigot its just he has never run an election campaign before and so he is campaigning on populist issues like Islamic terror which make him sound like a bigot.

You don't do as well as he has if you are bigoted because then you alienate yourself he just doesn't know the first thing about political campaigning because in business people come to you because they know what your offering but in politics you need to convince people your the best man for the job and to do that you need to campaign which is not easy if you never done it before
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Hillary is the biggest liar out there. Granted Trump lies too but not even in her class. Hillary should do hard time for her crimes.
1961dave · 61-69, M
Tabatha what really disgusts me about your comments is saying that it's a race thing. Democrats call Trump a racist because he doesn't want ISIS to get into the country. Also because he wants the Mexicans and everyone else to immigrate legally! You say too much typical Liberal Bullshit. I don't believe minorities are disproportionatly imprisoned. A lot of blacks live in areas where there are gangs, and end up feeling the pressure to join. These gangs sell drugs and oerpetrate all kinds of crimes. Complaining as if it's a Republican thing is idiotic. Donald Trump wants to reduce crime, to go after gangs. That's why so many blacks go to prison , it's proportionate with the crime. Hillary days to many blacks are in prison, but has no plan. Trump wants to work on getting rid of gangs. Only then can blacks stand a fair chance, they can't resist the strength if gangs! Like most people I believe women should be given equal pay for the same job. That's not a political party thing , that's an individual business thing.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
The left makes unproven quips like that all the time. Leftist politics.
I like the British political system

All politicians are directly elected through local constituencies

There are 3 mainstream parties and a handful of little no hoper parties so there are different agents.
There is a second house like the US senate but its unelected and made up of former politicians, business people, religious leaders etc so it creates an independent body which can review potential legislation without having to worry about being loyal to the party so they can keep their seat.

The head of state is a Queen but she has no political power so you have somebody who can always give a respectable face no matter how unpopular the government.
Also the prime minister has to every week go meet with her discuss the weeks business so the Queen can also advise the PM based on former experience... the current PM is the 15th since the Queen came to the throne.

So she has all this knowledge of what former PMS did and so she can offer advice which I think is a useful thing the elected PM makes the final choice but the Queen probably knows more about politics in England than any politician si she is a good person to turn to for advice.



The system I hate most is the Israeli system because there are just to many parties, only 2 of them are mainstream the rest are single issue parties there to join coalitions and gain a disproportionate amount of power.
The system is very unstable and about ever 2 years the coalitions collapse and there is another election and after the election same old faces are usually back just doing different jobs.

All the time there are new parties sprinting up most of them last 4-5 years and then merge with another party or dissolve because they lost all support but nobody wants to change the system because the majority of the seats are held by little parties and if there was a change then they would loose their jobs so I do not like the system it just does not work well


I love the US constitution but I do not like the system so much mainly because it is 2 party and so much of policy is really decided by lobbyists.
I am sure US gun laws would be very different today if it was not for the power of groups like NRA


When it comes to the 2016 presidential run I do not trust Clinton at all and Trump is unknown
I think though that Trump might be the best choice because he is not a traditional politician which is why he has been running such a bad campaign
As his background is in business maybe he might be able to fix the economy and he might have some new ideas especially because he is not a traditional Republican presidential candidate if he does a bad job then get rid of him in 4 years although to be honest I don't see him running again in 2020 because of his age and same with clinton.



I think that the best system is one when there is more than 2 parties but not to many of them
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1961dave · 61-69, M
So you don't like that finally someone has the sense to level out international trade tariffs. The disadvantage America is at with tariffs is probably the biggest factor in America losing manufacturing jobs. This has been going on for decades, finally a candidate came along with a plan to rebuild manufacturing in America, Trump!
If you research what the refugees are doing to European countries willing to take them in you'll see that it's a massive problem. Because of refugees now Stockholm is often referred to as the rape capital of the world.

German citizens are very angry about the rapes in Germany. There have been lots of citizens protesting in Germany. Because of the big rape problem they call the refugees rapefugees!
Trump does not want the refugees to destroy America like they're doing to Europe! Hillary has plans to bring in lots if refugees despite the FBI saying vetting can't work. We cab't screen out ISIS members. If Hillary gets in she will be bringing lots of ISIS members to the U.S.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@Aaronfunn: Where does 1961Dave says he hates Muslims? Amazing these ladies did not come out before he won pre-selection for the republican nomination. What can Hillary deliver except lies, This is the reason why there is so much anger about things like Benghazi, and wrong stances Hillary took in the past. Standing beside a sexual predator named Bill who has been know to sexually abuse and rape ladies - FACT. The Clinton Foundation aka show me the money, OPEN borders equals danger. I am pleased Hillary never says anything to get elected
1961dave · 61-69, M
@Aaronfunn: As Ned said, I didn't say anything to make you think I'm Islamaphobic. I didn't because I'm not. Deny women and children asylum from war? You really don't know what's going on!
When people are fleeing war torn countries it is always more wome and children than men. Men are a minority in the refugees because of many things. It's always important to men to get their families out and men are the ones fighting in the war torn countries. Some die, some remain there fighting. Strangely the refugees leaving ISIS territory are different, the largest number is never women or children, it's always men. That doesn't happen, it looks as if they're trying to send men to countries taking them.
In the U.S. 49% of the refugees have been men, the total of women and children should be a Hell of a lot more than half! In 2015 Germany took in about 1,000,000 refugees 3/4 of them are men. This is not a mere matter of refugees ISIS is sending forces to countries stupid enough to take them. It's inhuman and unamerican to put American citizens in harms way. Once the migrating is all done there will be lots of ISIS attacks in countries that allowed ISIS in, like the U.S. and Germany. Lots of people will be killed, and any of the legitimate refugees will have been better of in their war torn country. They will be hated and targeted by vigillantes.
You are so blinded by your sheepiness that you view everything in a twisted way. Trum is not a narcissist, but evil Hillary sure is. Trump is only guilty of succes. Gillary has been provi g that she's a liar for years, making lots of money from being a liar politician, while Trump has been a successful businessman.We can only guess if Trump did anything to women or if it's a political tactic by Hillary. Since there is video proof that Hillary paid people to cause violence at Trump rallies so she could say what a terrible person Trump is for the violence. It's just rational thinking to assume she would pay women to make Trump look bad. Trump is a bit eccentric, but he's a nice person who is running because he cares about people. Hillary is running to gain money and power.
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He'd be perfect as a clown in a circus
bargen0wwww · 26-30, M
His budget and taxing proposal is actually flawless and saves millions. Anyone is a better candidate than hitlary for all the crap she's been caught up in she should be in a prison and I'm not even talking about the emails
1961dave · 61-69, M
Yes he has a legitimate plan to create a ton of jobs. With Trump in office the country will prosper, and be safe. The government will no longer be broke, because of the tax revise from the jobs Trump creates.
Hillary's election plan is making Bullshit promises to every special interest group she can think of. Our broke government can't afford any of her promises. She likes to sound like she's a nice person be calling Trump a racist for wanting people to immigrate legally, and for wanting to be sure we are not letting ISIS members in with refugees. If Hillary gets in lots of Americans will be killed be terrorist attacks!
pianoisland · 31-35, M
Hard to say, I Don't trust Clinton, and I'm not a fan of Trump's history, or policies. I am almost leaning Trump because at least hes honest, but it really depends on the other branches of government most of the time though.
1961dave · 61-69, M
Kellys ion a president can do something terrible! If Hillary gets in we will have lots of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and the economy will be incredibly bad!
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Her rhetoric is not policy. She has never been in a position to implement policy. She is for things or against things and changes from speech to speech. She is a worse wildcard because she cannot make good decisions. Her time as Secretary of State has proven she is an incompetent fool. Therefore your assumption of policy is moot as no one really knows which script is hers. We all know one thing for certain, she will lie to your face and twice on Sundays. Therefore any thinking person will reject Hillary.
Kellusion · 31-35, F
Honestly I feel like no president really gets the job done correctly, and none can truly do anything too horrible. Of course there can be secrets and lies, but it's not like they can pass a law to make the hunger games real or something. There is a balance of powers and impeachment is still a real thing even though it hasn't been used much. Each president has good and bad and no president truly cares for the general public. Whatever to get their personal party happy. I hate the two party system. :)
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
I'm not an American, I don't get to vote .... here's my 2 cents worth.

Hilary has a proven track record of policy, finance, economic, foreign and domestic. Look them up see if they sound like someone you can support. Some good some bad everyone will have a different view.
She has been accused by her opponents about wrong doing in EVERY case, no evidence found.

Trump has made no real policy statements. Has no political record. Will not release documentation he promised to. He is a questionable business man. Repeated bankruptcies.
He is a good showman. He may be racist and sexist hard to tell with him at times. Late night comics love him because of the cray in him.

Neither are perfect.
Both have problems
Hilary is married to a tramp
Trump has said he would sleep with his daughter.

Read the policy record. Read their policy statements.

Do not vote with out doing a bit of 'homework' do your research

Don't do it because a comercial tells you to.

Don't vote the way someone on hte Internet tells you to.

Good luck ;)
1961dave · 61-69, M
Tabatha, I don't waste my money on cable, when I listen to the radio it's rock. The way unemployment figures work is once someone is no longer collecting, they are no longer considered unemployed. The numbers are false, very far off! I think gang violence is rampant, I see lots of deaths due to that when I see the news. I see cops getting shot as well!
Unlike you Tabatha, I am a big thinker I'm working on an invention to make a new energy source, I'm not 100% sure it will work, it's a theory, but I'm putting the effort into it. I've had my intelligece tested, and they were very impressed my me comleting parts of the test that they hadn't seen anyone else able to complete. I am a very big thinker! Tabatha your just a blind sheep listening to whatever the Democrats say! But I am an angry white man! I'm angry that Hillary supporters are so Damn stupid that they believe vetting can work!
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1961dave · 61-69, M
Our username how can anyone take anything you say seriously when you throw Bullshit like Trump said he wants to sleep with his daughter in there!?! Trump said that he can understand why someone would want to sleep with his daughter, she's beatiful. It's kind of a weird way to word a compliment of his daughter's beauty. But it by no means was him saying he wants to sleep with his daughter! You're an Asshole! Hillary has a proven track record of criminal acts!The FBI is investigating her of the latest one now!
Trump has made awesome policy statements that will help the U.S. tremendously! His bankruptcies were good business moves his wealth grew a lot! Calling him a racist because he wants people to imigrate legally, and he wants to make sure ISIS doesn't slip in . Mind your countries own politics you lying piece of Shit!!
We already have The Monkey trying to do the job :)
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
I'm willing to give him a chance.
Sanders is a Communist Son of a Bitch
1961dave · 61-69, M
You're so wrong Batovn, Hillary will do incredible damage including letting terrorists in. If she's in the government will go broke, the economy will collapse, and there will be lots of terrorism at home. This is probably the most important election in history to make sure you vote!
1961dave · 61-69, M
OurUserName, Hillary has had involvement in criminal activity throughout her political history. The release of many classified emails is very blatant. She could not have been stupid enough to accidentally released the emails. If it was not accidental it was intentional. For her to do it intentionally there had to be some benefit to her, a payoff, or promise. Experience being a criminal is not a good thing. The fact that Trump is not a politician is awesome! Hillary is tied in with the political machine, and other than some horrible plans she has it's just the same old thing. The Republican party didn't want Trump because unlike a typical politician he's in nobody's pockets. He can make real change.
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
Dave
I see your point. It has a certain level of accuracy. Thank you for following along. I have to go so I'll finish my point.

What is the likely hood that Hilary will change things she was spent decades of her past political work. I suggest unlikely. True no guarantee. Let's assume her history will continue. As the other suggestion is too remote to consider as rational.

Trump has little to no political policy history. Hard to determine his policy. Outide of rhetoric.

This lead back to my original suggestion.

Look at Hillary's track record. She has spent a lifetime in political life. This is easy to do as her history is easy to look up.

If you agree with more than you disagree do vote for her.
If you disagree with more then don't vote for her.

The rhetorical staements made are not of any value. This iss exactly what Mr. Trump has done.

He has changed the equation from policy to show. He knows he is a better showman than Ms. Clinton. He also knows he doesn't have the policy record. Best to redirect away from it.

Something as subtle as Hilary vs Mr Trump or Donald vs Ms. Clinton

When you say that, does one stand out as more professional than the other? More presidential? Too stuffy? To removed from you?

Again my point is simple. Look at policy. Not glitz not rhetoric.

If you like it vote for it.

You will more likely get a preside the that does/doesn't based on actual policy than rhetoric.

Be smarter than the rhetoric.
Check the policy.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Better than HRC for sure.
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
Finally an actual policy.

Hillary support a system where trained professionals with security information decide who is alowed it the US and who is rejected

What is Trumps policy?
Is he going to stop all immigration? Not practical. How is he going to manage it better than with trained professional?

Remember you can't say build a wall. Trump already said that isn't real. Stopping all immigration isn't part if his plan either.

So what separates them on this policy?
They have a very small difference in the number of immigrants they want.
When you remove the rhetoric on this issue very little separates them I this issue.

In four years as secretary of state pick one mistake?
Again not rhetoric, actual policy mistake.
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
@Carpdiem
I never said what I had time to do or not do. I'd appreciate you not making assumption. I do however appreciate your consideration for my time and how it may be better spent.

I was simply answering a question made by a fellow SWer. I didn't see where in the guidelines for SW it said I was unable to give my opinion. I didn't see where it was said in the question itself that only some people were requested to answer the question.
If I missed it I'm sorry and will remove my comments.
Sorry if my comments have upset your nature.

I do feel I have something to say with the election of the person that controls the security keys to 1/2 the planets nuclear weapons

The US is an important ally to us, a neighbour, and a trading partner.

As a citizen of YOUR nations largest trading partner and largest supplier of foreign energy, I'd think our opinion would be relavant. You appear to disagree, you have that right.

As to your unintentionally hurtful coment about the moose. I'd like you to know that I lost a close friend in university in a moose accident. They are powerful and dangerous animals, not a toy to be "played" with.
I understand you probably had no idea about the moose or my history with them. That statement has brought up some serious memories that I have spent years trying to forget. I wish that had not happened. That statement will cause more pain than you likely intended.

*OUN goes away in tears**
1961dave · 61-69, M
Be honest Ourusername, the reason you're campaigning against Trump is because his tarrif plan will do wonders for the U.S., but will be negative for other countries. It's an even playing field instead of the U.S. getting screwed!
1961dave · 61-69, M
The government is so broke every so often they have to vote to keep running. Hillary's plan to get elected is to promise to spend money on every special interest group she can think of, she has. There's no money for this. Trump isn't promising to spend money on people, he's promising to do things that will certainly create jobs. The refugees are a problem throughout Europe, lots of rapes. I agree with Trump that an average Muslim would not do that, but ISIS members would. Hillary wants to open the flood gates. Trump wants to be sure we are doing all we can to stop ISIS members from coming in.Imagine 1,000 terrorists spread out all over the country havoc, countless lives lost!
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Trump appeals to uneducated white men like Dave.

Remember Dave a good television personality does not make for a good politician. Tabitha is right.

Trump will be the best thing for ISIS, his inflammatory rhetoric will cause many people in the Muslim world to confirm their ideology that America is a bully.
1961dave · 61-69, M
@JimboSaturn: No Jimbo,there are too many factors that make it ibvious that it's reality. Seeing that ISIS does hate and does want to kill Westerners . The Paris killings is not a one time thing, they want to kill innocent people. The refugees are the oerfect opportunity to get terrorists into countries. The high percentage of men in migrating refugees should be raising red flags! It's very obvious!
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@1961dave: They are horrible people agreed! But voting in Donald Trump will not alleviate or solve the problem. Please study the influences and history of sectarian violence and American policy in the middle east first. Please try to expand you horizons and stop thinking in a jingoistic way.

And most of all. Listen buddy. We are obviously not going to change each other's minds! Why to you think this forum is useful in any way?
1961dave · 61-69, M
@JimboSaturn: You and I both feel compelled to talk about this stuff, we belive in our own views. I believe in helping others, but protect your own first. I belueve Hillary would cost many American lives!
If it a cage match Trump would defiantly win I think

Hillary is a woman
Sanders is an old mad
Trump can afford to hire somebody to do the fighting for him
carpediem · 61-69, M
Username... you are right. Hillary has a record. It completely sucks. Enough said. Focus on your own country We'll take care of ours.
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
I'm not campaigning for or against. If you read my original comments I said good and bad about each.
If I was campaigning I would not have said both choices are bad. I would have only say good things about my candidate. I would not have said good things about the other.

I'm not afraid of trumps tariff plan. It will do little to me or Canada. We provide 10 times what we receive from the US. We have many other potential clients. I know we will benefit from new trade agreements. We have the advantage in so many ways. We have he resources the world (including the US) needs. A few of them are fresh water, energy, forestry products. We get a manufactured goods and fruit from the US. China is starting to beat you in manufacturing and south America and Mexico are a good replacement for fruits and vegetables.

I'm confident in the future of Canada in regards to trade with or with out a trump presidency.

Don't let the rethoric get in he way of facts. Both Canada and the US benefit from strong trade. Neither will be better off without the other. We are an exporter and we have other buyers. Do you have other stable suppliers?
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carpediem · 61-69, M
Chernobyl and I will settle this in a duel for the benefit of mankind. Foam fingers at 50 paces. Agreed?
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Sunshine · 26-30, F
Not sure about a monkey but certainly there are better choices out there. 😞
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
I was looking for specific policy.

Repeating rhetoric is easy.

Looking at and discussing real policy is harder.

Hilary has made many real policy statements for her entire adult life. There must be one you can point to and show why it is wrong or bad.

I can think of a dozen I would disagree with her on. They do exist. She has some I like.

I am wondering if you can find one and explain why you like or dislike it.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
It certainly would make espionage from other countries inexpensive with Hillary

 
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