I know this doesn't pertain to any of you fine readers

@Rabscuttle save the lecture there, Sergeant Friday. You jump to a lot of conclusions in order to appear superior. Go back to Reddit with that bs.

If your age bracket is correct, I've probably been a licensed driver since before you were born, having driven in many countries, in 3 continents, on many roads, thorofares and highways, including the Autobahn. My driving record has been spotless for just as long. The main reason it's been spotless is because I religiously stop completely at every stop sign I come to. That's not an exaggeration. I suggest everybody do the same because what I noticed is that most moving violations are due to failure to stop completely at stop signs. And what they're looking for is for in a complete stop is for the car to rock back into a rest position. It's noticeable at the bumper

You can't claim that something somebody might be doing is a fact, the word you should have been using is based on assumption, not facts and since you weren't there it's a strange assumption for you to be making when I clearly said he's watching me come to a stop.

I would have never noticed it if it was a one time event. But it's happening more and more and it bugs the shit out of me for reasons I've already listed

@Jayciedubb Self-righteousness doesn't work when you're wrong, bucko- and as someone YOUR age should know, it's lieutenant Friday. But that's a quibble.

I've logged more road hours and more road miles than you will in your entire life, in personal and commercial vehicles of every shape and size, and that's why I know that a rocking bumper won't tell you squat, because a "complete stop" isn't just a cessation of movement, but a cessation of movement for a specific time- usually three seconds, but it varies by jurisdiction.

But yes, by all means, criticize my assumptions, which I clearly labeled as such, with your own, which you assert as facts. I suppose I shouldn't expect any less from someone who gets annoyed at people following the laws. I don't need presumptions to appear superior to you; your own actions do that just fine.

@Gibbon i understand that. That's what you're supposed to do, or rather, it's implied when the rule is to procede with caution or something like that. I'm a bit more proactive in that im already scanning the roadway and the color of the other traffic light.

Also, even if you're not one to be as cautious, i already expect a delay from any car in front of me at a red light, especially these days with cars having that mode you can put them in where they cut the engine when the car is stopped and automatically start back up when the accelerator is pressed. Idk what that does for their spark plugs or their starters, but I'm sure it saves them gas in the long run. It depends on how long they typically stay stopped.

Anyway, that wasn't my point. I'm talking about drivers having that deer caught in the headlights look as they see me crawling to a stop and not moving until i do. The speeds im talking about aren't fast enough for me to be able to hit them even if i didn't come to a complete stop and they proceded as if they were expecting me to stop. Idk if that made any sense. My point is that i see them watching me. It's obvious I'm stopping. Its as if they think we're working together to be sure to keep a driver posted at that intersection at all times and require me to stop completely before they're relieved of duty. Lol

@Jayciedubb I get It. Just understand it's because you're moving. @Gusman gave a good aggravating example that also holds true at four way stops. People sitting don't know how to use the person to the right rule. Holy shit somebody go

@Gibbon yes. that's exactly what I understand. I'm allowed to be moving up to the point where I'm supposed to stop. My requirement to stop has no bearing on their allowance to proceed. It would be understandable if I was showing no signs of stopping, or maybe if the intersection wasn't already posted as a four-way stop.

Anyway, what I've often wondered was suppose I'm one of those commuters who tries to take the Frontage Road and ends up at that stop sign everybody else has to stop at and it's just a formality, because it's obvious there are no cars coming from any other direction except for the ones coming down the frontage road trying to escape the commute traffic on the freeway. But see there's a cop watching in Plainview so everybody has to stop. No Hollywood stops. If I'm behind a motorcycle that stops at the line and I stop right behind him. Can I proceed without stopping again at the line since I already stopped a motorcycle's length behind the line? It's not worth a day in court to find out, or the points against my record if I'm wrong. But it is a bit of a gray area isn't it?

I've only had one moving violation my whole driving career and it was for speeding. I decided to go to traffic school to keep the points off my record. That was the longest Saturday I ever had in my life, but I did learn one vital piece of information. Me and one other guy were the only two people who there for speeding. The class was full and everybody else was ticketed for failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign.

What I learned was that if I come to a complete stop at every stop sign I come across, the odds of me getting another moving violation are slim to none. And so far, that's been the case.