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The militant atheists and Islam haters on this site really make it a toxic environment

How hard can it be to be a decent human and respect others?

I don't mind talking and conversing honestly about things, but they make it difficult for some kind users here to ise this site peacefully. What a turn of events when they claim religious people are oppressive as they constantly try to demonize amd demoralize people who did nothing wrong.


It's the disingenuinity and double standards that irritate me. I welcome any honest felt opinion, question, discussiom, or view but you have to quit the deception and lies.

To all the people who are content with respecting others and do not go out of their way to lie, try to demoralize, and slander others, thank you for making this site a more positive experience. Maybe you don't agree on everything but you learn and benefit from taking the good of ehat everyone has to offer
CountScrofula41-45, M Best Comment
As a hardcore atheist, I have very very little time for most other atheists for the reasons you listed.

Particularly as it comes to "criticizing Islam". Attacking someone else's belief system from a place of profound ignorance is profoundly shitty. What the hell does criticizing Islam even mean.

It reads to a profound lack of understanding of how power and privilege works, and exactly whose interests they think they're serving. Stupid, childish, and intellectually lazy young white men rampaging around trying to tell everyone that they know best. As a white male atheist I know one life lesson - and that's to treat people with basic dignity, and to not talk about shit I don't understand.
basilfawlty8931-35, M
@CountScrofula I wonder if he's aware that more Europeans have some Middle Eastern and Central Asian DNA. If it was not for Neolithic Middle Eastern farmers, Europe would never have had agriculture.
@CountScrofula [quote] I know one life lesson - and that's to treat people with basic dignity, and to not talk about shit I don't understand.[/quote]
It鈥檚 a lesson many theists could stand to learn as well. 馃檨
CountScrofula41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard Oh absolutely. This is not to say that all religious folk are good and true and kind and reasonable that's just obviously not true. I grew up in a very religious small town and I was not treated kindly.

The big thing for me is the overall look is middle class white men attacking people who are often poor or minorities for their beliefs. There's a power relationship there.

NickiHijabF
Lazy thinking all around.
They're really no different to the religious zealots they hate in my opinion. If you over generalise and let that generalisation rule how you interact with others, you're in the same overcrowded boat with the people you claim you have issue with.
deadgerbil22-25
I'm not religious and am an atheist/agnostic, but the militant atheists on here make me cringe so hard.

They might as well be in the same boat as religious fanatics. They just keep going on and on like bible thumpers
SW-User
@deadgerbil Preach it Rabbi!
Moon362418-21, F
@deadgerbil true 馃槀
@deadgerbil The biggest complaint by atheists (traditionally) has been of attempts by theists to abridge their rights. Hypocritical of those attempting to do the same thing.
Eternity26-30, M
There really is no need to be a hateful atheist.

Yes it is very irritating to listen to people drone on and fight over fairytales but literally every objective statistic is on the side of the atheist, and as people who are supposed to value objective fact over all else, they should be able to be more than content with that.

That being said, "hateful" is a word thrown around real easy these days.

If someone so much as disagrees or points out a fact contradictory to the view of the OP, they are being "hateful".

So yeah...
@Eternity I choose my words carefully. I am against this idea of "phobias" and mislabeling disagreement as hate
BlueVeins22-25
Yeahhhh I think it's important to call out systemic problems in religion and the logical contradictions that most major religions present, but there's a disturbing tendency towards essentialism and generalization on the Internet that some atheists fall into. It's entirely possible to point out that Christianity is a shit moral philosophy while also acknowledging that most Christians are perfectly decent people in their personal lives, but some just seem completely unwilling to do that.
@BlueVeins I agree entirely. I appreciate that you understand the value of honest dispute
SW-User
I agree with you. Anger and hatred come from many different sources here. I find the nastiness and negativity make me cringe, no matter what their beliefs or political leanings.
SW-User
The militant atheists are so aggressive and clueless that they start attacking obvious sarcasm as if it鈥檚 the crusades.
@SW-User Kali, you stay preaching 馃挴
I try to stay off other鈥檚 religious posts. I鈥檝e also blocked religious groups from appearing in my feed. But I鈥檝e noticed more theists interjecting their religious perspectives into secular posts than the other way around.
ServantOfTheGoddess61-69, M
Practically speaking, you just need to make ample use of the block and mute buttons (and maybe the feed settings, though I'm not sure they actually work) to try to narrow down your interactions to the people you enjoy on here.
@ServantOfTheGoddess I like that idea but feel responsible to not do so. I am against lies, traducing, and oppression against anybody. These people will continue to actively work to indoctrinate others with clear falsehoods and I feel it is injustice to see a lie and let it be
ServantOfTheGoddess61-69, M
@Babylon I hear you, but sometimes the expression "choose your battles" is good advice...
@ServantOfTheGoddess the way I see it, 10, 20, maybe 4 years from now, who knows how much time I'm blessed with? I'll be gone

And when that day comes, if I could have saved one more person from one more evil thing, I think it was worth it (not forcing if course 馃槄)
And maybe they can carry on and help one more person one day :)
Straylight31-35, F
[quote] How hard can it be to be a decent human and respect others?[/quote]
Apparently it鈥檚 impossible for some people.
@Straylight teach them Stray 馃様
I want them like you
walabby61-69, M
I don't like militant anything. People should just chill......
@walabby If militant feminists didn't exist we would still be slaves to males. If militant Blacks didn't fight against racism NOTHING would have changed and they would still wear chains and still be hung by the neck from trees. It is necessary to be militant. Damn good thing we weren't just chillin'! Doesn't have to be violent...but, aggressive, loud, radical, assertive, relentless against injustice. You're welcome
thisgenericnamehere36-40, M
As long as the atheist hate doesn't revert back to what religious folks used to do to us. 馃敟馃敟馃敟馃敟馃敟馃敟 you can think what you like.
thisgenericnamehere36-40, M
@Babylon China isn't doing it being they are atheistic though. They are doing it for ethnic reasons it's horrid either way but let's be specific here.
@thisgenericnamehere now, I simply can't back you up nor accept that. It just isn't true. You can't pretend atheists oppression on religious people is nonexistent. Stop trying to pretend that atheists can't be bad people, man. The truth is evil atheists exist. Even if they are ethnically atheist, it is still forced atheist violence and oppression against religious people. There is no distorting that, dude. This is as specific as it gets
thisgenericnamehere36-40, M
@Babylon You haven't proven any of what you've claimed. So. Easily dismissed.
Moon362418-21, F
Haters will always find a way to hate no matter what you do or say. Ignorance is a bliss.
NanoriF
Only question that comes to my mind whenever I see someone openly talking and practicing their religion and encouraging others to follow it, is that
How far are you willing to follow your religion's rules?
deadgerbil22-25
@Nanori that's a good question that many of them have to wrestle with, bc if they are actually a follower of that God, who are they to cherry pick what to follow?

It makes no sense and that's why conservative practitioners of a religion have a leg up on the rest, because all they have to do is read and follow exactly what their holy book says without having a modern, 21 century understanding about the world around them
@Nanori I need some context to this so I can understand better what you mean. Because religion is a way of life, yo
I can choose to follow my desires or follow what Allah says in thr Qur'an

Like, Islam teaches not to drink. So, I don't drink. Do you mean if someone puts a gun to my head and tries to force me to eat pork? Or what?
I'm kinda confused what you mean by how far I am willing to go to follow it
bugeye26-30, F
i don't care about the people, but the bible and quran are both vile books spouting ideas that need to be confronted.
@bugeye you're entitled to how you see those books and their teachings.
The one thing I would like to note is that confrontation should be honest and accurate. There is nothing wrong with differing but there is something wrong with either ignorantly misconstruing or intentionally misconstruing.

I have come across few atheists who hate Islam that have demonstrated an accurate understanding of the religion's teachings itself. Speaks volumes when ignorant people fight something based on something they either don't understand or intentionally try to defame
emptysoul4441-45, M
I really don't know any Islamics
@emptysoul44 "Muslim"

The term is Muslim for a persom who follows Islam (the religion)
emptysoul4441-45, M
@Babylon uh ok
@HoraceGreenley this is so true for some 馃槀
you DO babylon. What the hell is a militant Atheist?
@fernie2 I do what?
@Babylon BABBLE ON!
@fernie2 about?
InOtterWordsF
Hate is never a good thing
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@Emosaur 馃憦馃従馃憦馃従馃憦馃従馃憦馃従

It's rather impressive how pertinacious you are. No amount of repitition or reason can demonstrate to you what you keep bringing up over and over (throughout all the refutations) is riddled with irrationalities, contradictions, or misconceptions, and you have a deep boiling hatred and drive to make Islam and Muslims look bad to the best of your ability, day in and day out, religiously. I neither understand nor have you justified or rationalized why.

There was a point in time I believed you might have been honest and sincere but I cannot continue to go back and forth with you any longer about the same old lies after you refuse to learn. I would have loved that we could talk, reason, and we work together to come to truth and better understanding about things (as you have helped me learn a bit about some things in the past).

I just hope it isn't pain or suffering that gives you this heavy drive, because if it is, we can talk about it. If it's just pure hatred or this is some sort of supremacy mission, then I hope maybe you can reflect on your motives, objectives, and your worldview.
basilfawlty8931-35, M
@Emosaur
it you
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Human1000M
What is a militant atheist?
SW-User
It always makes me laugh. Some of them talk more about God than fervently religious people do.

I don't care what anyone believes on these matters. I think it should be a personal thing. I won't stick my beliefs in anyone else's face and I'd appreciate that courtesy shown to me too.

 
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