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Really · 80-89, M
[@1220692,Jenny1234] I shouldn't have referred to that behavior as not being 'the norm'. That would imply knowledge of comparative statistics; which I don't have. I should have instead commented that 'bad' behavior is far more common and widespread than desirable. That's more like what I meant to convey.
I suspect that whether one sees mankind as mainly 'good' or 'bad' depends on one's current mindset - whether in a sunny, positive, or a more gloomy mood/mode. I'm glad your daily experience reinforces a benign view.
I suspect that whether one sees mankind as mainly 'good' or 'bad' depends on one's current mindset - whether in a sunny, positive, or a more gloomy mood/mode. I'm glad your daily experience reinforces a benign view.
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HellGeist · 26-30, M
I dislike people in general. Is the average Muslim bad? No. But many of them who are devout DO have some pretty awful and backward beliefs.
Muslims have a great capacity for violence. So does humanity in general, but out of all the major faiths in the world, I think theirs is definitely the most savage and bloodthirsty. This leads to a deeply uncivilized culture.
But to keep things in context, the largely Christian Western Colonial countries once were downright genocidal slavers. But that is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.
There's a lot of geo-political drama and history that explains why Islam and the Muslim world is as disgusting and messed up as it is. * It's not as simple as some people make it out to be (i.e. Muslims = Bad! Wahhh!)
BTW, I have a feeling my post may be reported or deleted for being too... true (perhaps), but I'm just being real with what I know and understand.
I could go on, but that would probably be a waste of time. If this post and thread doesn't get blasted worse than the Twin Towers, I may come back and add some more thoughts.
*Edit: For example, the Muslim world would likely not be in such acute disarray if it hadn't been fucked with repeatedly by Britain and the other victorious Colonial Allied powers after WWI through the Sykes-Picot agreement which unjustly partitioned the land and made weak, inept, practically make-believe countries that shuffled tribes that hated each other together, with no regard to local faiths, ethnicities, and customs.
Good fences make for good neighbors. Look how hard it is for the United States to get along. Why? We're too all different in every way that counts. Things vary even state by state. We're stuck with a political duopoly. Republicans and Democrats hate each other. Racial tension. Division and disunity. Why? Because we're 50 different states with different customs and cultures and ethnicities and politics that DO NOT and CANNOT mesh.
[In reality, the US should be at the very least two different countries that mutually co-operate for the mutual good. Lincoln made a mistake in preserving the Union. So now we must suffer under false, forced unity.
This is why I'm pro-secession, but I digress...]
Now imagine if some stronger global power came along, jumbled and re-organized the US for their own benefit with no regard to local customs of its peoples, their States, culture, religion, political creed, ethnicity, etc. It would be even worse, wouldn't it?
Granted, perhaps that is not the best analogy and it is obviously more complicated than what I've stated, however now hopefully you understand a little bit why the Muslim world is such a dumpster fire.
Western powers have a long history of intervention in the Middle East and they all need to GTFO NOW before more blowback happens and the refugee crisis worsens and we have a global religious/race war.
Look at Germany.
Europe is already paying the price for being willing buttbuddies to the US in the illegal wars of aggression in the Middle East under the guise of "fighting terrorism," when really they are just running everyone's economies, creating more terrorists, increasing the deficit and putting your freedoms and rights in the shredder.
Muslims have a great capacity for violence. So does humanity in general, but out of all the major faiths in the world, I think theirs is definitely the most savage and bloodthirsty. This leads to a deeply uncivilized culture.
But to keep things in context, the largely Christian Western Colonial countries once were downright genocidal slavers. But that is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.
There's a lot of geo-political drama and history that explains why Islam and the Muslim world is as disgusting and messed up as it is. * It's not as simple as some people make it out to be (i.e. Muslims = Bad! Wahhh!)
BTW, I have a feeling my post may be reported or deleted for being too... true (perhaps), but I'm just being real with what I know and understand.
I could go on, but that would probably be a waste of time. If this post and thread doesn't get blasted worse than the Twin Towers, I may come back and add some more thoughts.
*Edit: For example, the Muslim world would likely not be in such acute disarray if it hadn't been fucked with repeatedly by Britain and the other victorious Colonial Allied powers after WWI through the Sykes-Picot agreement which unjustly partitioned the land and made weak, inept, practically make-believe countries that shuffled tribes that hated each other together, with no regard to local faiths, ethnicities, and customs.
Good fences make for good neighbors. Look how hard it is for the United States to get along. Why? We're too all different in every way that counts. Things vary even state by state. We're stuck with a political duopoly. Republicans and Democrats hate each other. Racial tension. Division and disunity. Why? Because we're 50 different states with different customs and cultures and ethnicities and politics that DO NOT and CANNOT mesh.
[In reality, the US should be at the very least two different countries that mutually co-operate for the mutual good. Lincoln made a mistake in preserving the Union. So now we must suffer under false, forced unity.
This is why I'm pro-secession, but I digress...]
Now imagine if some stronger global power came along, jumbled and re-organized the US for their own benefit with no regard to local customs of its peoples, their States, culture, religion, political creed, ethnicity, etc. It would be even worse, wouldn't it?
Granted, perhaps that is not the best analogy and it is obviously more complicated than what I've stated, however now hopefully you understand a little bit why the Muslim world is such a dumpster fire.
Western powers have a long history of intervention in the Middle East and they all need to GTFO NOW before more blowback happens and the refugee crisis worsens and we have a global religious/race war.
Look at Germany.
Europe is already paying the price for being willing buttbuddies to the US in the illegal wars of aggression in the Middle East under the guise of "fighting terrorism," when really they are just running everyone's economies, creating more terrorists, increasing the deficit and putting your freedoms and rights in the shredder.
bijouxbroussard · F
[@875046,Carlisle] [quote] And the book is up for interpretation by many different scholars from many different countries who speak different languages. [/quote]
I was asking about [b]Islam[/b], the religion. That information is helpful.
My being black is about my [b]skin[/b] color; it’s not comparable to a religion. I left my religion (my family’s Catholic).
I was asking about [b]Islam[/b], the religion. That information is helpful.
My being black is about my [b]skin[/b] color; it’s not comparable to a religion. I left my religion (my family’s Catholic).
Carlisle · F
[@328496,bijouxbroussard]
I can’t answer that just like I wouldn’t ask a Jewish person about all the Jewish people as their book or books. Let’s replace the word Muslims with Jews.
Jews have a book.
Can we call them blood thirsty and savage or uncivilised.
We can’t it’s a hate crime.
And on most countries it’s a hate crime now to incite hatred towards Muslims.
Just think of them as people and some of them can be criminal just like some Christians can be criminals some Jewish people can be criminals.
Iv spoken to you on other posts.
No hard feelings.
I can’t answer that just like I wouldn’t ask a Jewish person about all the Jewish people as their book or books. Let’s replace the word Muslims with Jews.
Jews have a book.
Can we call them blood thirsty and savage or uncivilised.
We can’t it’s a hate crime.
And on most countries it’s a hate crime now to incite hatred towards Muslims.
Just think of them as people and some of them can be criminal just like some Christians can be criminals some Jewish people can be criminals.
Iv spoken to you on other posts.
No hard feelings.
bijouxbroussard · F
[@875046,Carlisle] I didn’t call anyone “bloodthirsty” or “savage”. I live in a country where people who identified as “Christian” hanged and burned alive people who looked like me for much of the early 20th century. So I [b]know[/b] better. I already know well that there are good and bad amongst all people.
PhoenixPhail · M
ScrewThisImDone · 26-30, F
Carlisle · F
No and no one should.
And we have good and bad people in all religions and all communities and groups.
To judge the whole group based off some idiots is not cool.
Also I assume that the main religions (not religious myself)
All have weird parts in them. Good and bad.
I know some Muslims and they have all said that anyone hurts anyone they aren’t muslim.
So really when we talk about bad Christians or bad Muslims
Are they then by definition even a Muslim or Christian or whatever.
And we can find horrible weird things cultish like in all of them.
And we have good and bad people in all religions and all communities and groups.
To judge the whole group based off some idiots is not cool.
Also I assume that the main religions (not religious myself)
All have weird parts in them. Good and bad.
I know some Muslims and they have all said that anyone hurts anyone they aren’t muslim.
So really when we talk about bad Christians or bad Muslims
Are they then by definition even a Muslim or Christian or whatever.
And we can find horrible weird things cultish like in all of them.
[@4199,BlueVeins] [quote] If that's true and there really is only one true interpretation of Islam, then which one is the true one? [/quote]
Good question. The answer is beautifully simple and in line with what we were talking about earlier. When someone says something, they mean something. To know where it is from, you have to refer to who said it. That's kinda the whole concept of language and preservation. They mean something because they obviously said something. If it is preserved and people can understand the language, it should be straightforwards. For things with respect to a contextual situation or a metaphor, you would need to master the language and its linguistic mechanics and idioms.
The topic of "elwhich sect is right" is about to become a long conversation if we go into the academic analysis of each group and their source of interpretation.
[quote] none of them are making up shit that Muhammad said [/quote]
I can't back you up 100% on this because there are plenty of fabricated ahadith which are known and discarded. New fabricated ones appear even to this day. Regardless, the core concept of interpretation is to try and analyze the meaning of something based on some event a verse was applied, mentioned, or was associated with. You should honestly look into how the compilations and classifications of Bukhari and Muslim happened. A more modern revisit and analysis is done by Albaani. There are lots of interpretations which come from a direct recorded event, other times it is the knowledge of a recorded event and what was said or happened, and some are from an understanding of a similar situation, and then some are purely from the opinion of the interpreter. This goes for so many other things but people's interpretations aren't a part of Islam. They are interpretations. Some are correct and others are wrong or fabrications. That's what I am trying to highlight. For an analysis of each sect and their beliefs and interpretations, you'd have to have a deep look at the root sources of their beliefs and the foundatioms of their explanations. If you really want me to look into those sects you mentioned, I can have a look but I don't normally go into sects typically because there is quite literally some reason they are a sect. All in all, Islam is said to be from Allah and taught through the messenger. Whoever is not citing or explaining how their interpretation is from Islam cannot be just taken as from Islam. Anyone can claim to be something. It requires tangible evidence and rational explanation.
With regards to applying a 7th century standard to 2021 life, what do you mean by they cannot be 1:1?
Good question. The answer is beautifully simple and in line with what we were talking about earlier. When someone says something, they mean something. To know where it is from, you have to refer to who said it. That's kinda the whole concept of language and preservation. They mean something because they obviously said something. If it is preserved and people can understand the language, it should be straightforwards. For things with respect to a contextual situation or a metaphor, you would need to master the language and its linguistic mechanics and idioms.
The topic of "elwhich sect is right" is about to become a long conversation if we go into the academic analysis of each group and their source of interpretation.
[quote] none of them are making up shit that Muhammad said [/quote]
I can't back you up 100% on this because there are plenty of fabricated ahadith which are known and discarded. New fabricated ones appear even to this day. Regardless, the core concept of interpretation is to try and analyze the meaning of something based on some event a verse was applied, mentioned, or was associated with. You should honestly look into how the compilations and classifications of Bukhari and Muslim happened. A more modern revisit and analysis is done by Albaani. There are lots of interpretations which come from a direct recorded event, other times it is the knowledge of a recorded event and what was said or happened, and some are from an understanding of a similar situation, and then some are purely from the opinion of the interpreter. This goes for so many other things but people's interpretations aren't a part of Islam. They are interpretations. Some are correct and others are wrong or fabrications. That's what I am trying to highlight. For an analysis of each sect and their beliefs and interpretations, you'd have to have a deep look at the root sources of their beliefs and the foundatioms of their explanations. If you really want me to look into those sects you mentioned, I can have a look but I don't normally go into sects typically because there is quite literally some reason they are a sect. All in all, Islam is said to be from Allah and taught through the messenger. Whoever is not citing or explaining how their interpretation is from Islam cannot be just taken as from Islam. Anyone can claim to be something. It requires tangible evidence and rational explanation.
With regards to applying a 7th century standard to 2021 life, what do you mean by they cannot be 1:1?
Carlisle · F
[@4199,BlueVeins] my argument may not be as wordy or educated as some but I can say it in simpler terms.
Don’t hate Muslims. Don’t accuse them of being blood thirsty, savage and uncivilised because that is inciting hatred to wards all Muslims.
Don’t hate Muslims. Don’t accuse them of being blood thirsty, savage and uncivilised because that is inciting hatred to wards all Muslims.
Really · 80-89, M
[@757582,BlackUnicorn] https://tinyurl.com/tekfvkfv
[@568940,Really] is this you having a “thoughtful” discussion? Dare I open it.
[@568940,Really] What the Dickens is this…
SkeetSkeet · 90-99, F
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Carlisle · F
[@841775,Budwick] ye
The statistics would be
How many people are going to publicly admit to discrimination and reveal themselves.
The statistics would be
How many people are going to publicly admit to discrimination and reveal themselves.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 36-40, M
Fertilization · 31-35, F
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
Fertilization · 31-35, F
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] Amazing 🤩
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
[@665475,kodiac] well anybody could get upset for any reason. so what do we do? never say/do anything?
kodiac · M
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] It's your post I'll bow out now.
Carlisle · F
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] thats like asking
Anyone here hate Jews?
Now who is going to admit this? And when you do they have just commited a hate crime.
So will you report them when they do.
Because this post is just implying that it’s ok and normal so to speak to hate a group just randomly.
Anyone here hate Jews?
Now who is going to admit this? And when you do they have just commited a hate crime.
So will you report them when they do.
Because this post is just implying that it’s ok and normal so to speak to hate a group just randomly.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Manfredthemanic · 13-15, M
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] just because u clarify it doesn't make it right.
Really · 80-89, M
[@967051,Darksideinthenight2] Just because he didn't phrase it as you would prefer doesn't make 'it' provocative. Taking the question at face value is always an option you can choose. Your reaction is strictly your own responsibility
PrincessAwesome · 18-21, F
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MotherHubbard · 56-60, F
Stillwaiting · M
[@1201621,MotherHubbard] Like people who think BLM riots and looting is legimate protest.
MotherHubbard · 56-60, F
SweetNSassy · F
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
[@465377,SweetNSassy] may I know the reason?
SweetNSassy · F
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] just don’t have anything in common with them
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
[@465377,SweetNSassy] fair enough.
samphire · 26-30, M
Say what you like, but in what possible universe will this NOT be a provocative question??
samphire · 26-30, M
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] I think you are just naïve, and we’ll leave it at that.
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
[@1230737,samphire] [quote]just naïve[/quote] this would make me innocent. thanks.
samphire · 26-30, M
[@1155125,octoberthesixth] yes.
KYLakeDiver · 46-50, M
I will never hate anyone unless THEY are intolerant. Not all Muslims are intolerant but Islam is intolerant of infidels. We should start being intolerant to those who are intolerant to us. This is not modern logic, this is not extreme, this is common sense.
The Islamic intolerance I speak of is the desire to KILL those that do not agree with Islam. Thankfully, not every Muslim is fundamentally a Muslim.
The Islamic intolerance I speak of is the desire to KILL those that do not agree with Islam. Thankfully, not every Muslim is fundamentally a Muslim.
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
Stillwaiting · M
Maleficent · F
Really · 80-89, M
[@967051,Darksideinthenight2] 'It' in this case was a straight question; perfectly valid and free of any apparent prejudice. Your characterizing it as provocative has nothing to do with "it" - the simple question as asked.
Asificair · M
No, but I think they're wrong, just like Christians, Hindus etc. We've moved on from a need to make stuff up to fill in the gaps.
HakunaMatata · 46-50, M
BlueVeins · 18-21
I hate Islamic fundamentalists, but not moderates.
BlueVeins · 18-21
[@509417,zork0000] Yes, I dislike anyone who believes that religion is a reasonable basis for establishing laws and social standards, regardless of which religion it is.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
No. I’ve got some Muslim friends, they are very moderate though.
mrlopez · 26-30, M
Naw they are pretty cool. I just find some of their traditions weird
ScrewThisImDone · 26-30, F
The extremist sect is the issue, just as with anything else.
GhostPoncho · 46-50, M
Nope. The US just killed Muslim children, FYI.
llamaboy · 36-40, M
Stay away from Islam
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