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any of you hate muslims?

[b]this is NOT a provocative question,[/b] it's just a question.


[i]if anything this was a thought-provoking post. [/i]
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GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
I dislike people in general. Is the average Muslim bad? No. But many of them who are devout DO have some pretty awful and backward beliefs.

Muslims have a great capacity for violence. So does humanity in general, but out of all the major faiths in the world, I think theirs is definitely the most savage and bloodthirsty. This leads to a deeply uncivilized culture.

But to keep things in context, the largely Christian Western Colonial countries once were downright genocidal slavers. But that is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.

There's a lot of geo-political drama and history that explains why Islam and the Muslim world is as disgusting and messed up as it is. * It's not as simple as some people make it out to be (i.e. Muslims = Bad! Wahhh!)

BTW, I have a feeling my post may be reported or deleted for being too... true (perhaps), but I'm just being real with what I know and understand.

I could go on, but that would probably be a waste of time. If this post and thread doesn't get blasted worse than the Twin Towers, I may come back and add some more thoughts.

*Edit: For example, the Muslim world would likely not be in such acute disarray if it hadn't been fucked with repeatedly by Britain and the other victorious Colonial Allied powers after WWI through the Sykes-Picot agreement which unjustly partitioned the land and made weak, inept, practically make-believe countries that shuffled tribes that hated each other together, with no regard to local faiths, ethnicities, and customs.

Good fences make for good neighbors. Look how hard it is for the United States to get along. Why? We're too all different in every way that counts. Things vary even state by state. We're stuck with a political duopoly. Republicans and Democrats hate each other. Racial tension. Division and disunity. Why? Because we're 50 different states with different customs and cultures and ethnicities and politics that DO NOT and CANNOT mesh.

[In reality, the US should be at the very least two different countries that mutually co-operate for the mutual good. Lincoln made a mistake in preserving the Union. So now we must suffer under false, forced unity.

This is why I'm pro-secession, but I digress...]

Now imagine if some stronger global power came along, jumbled and re-organized the US for their own benefit with no regard to local customs of its peoples, their States, culture, religion, political creed, ethnicity, etc. It would be even worse, wouldn't it?

Granted, perhaps that is not the best analogy and it is obviously more complicated than what I've stated, however now hopefully you understand a little bit why the Muslim world is such a dumpster fire.

Western powers have a long history of intervention in the Middle East and they all need to GTFO NOW before more blowback happens and the refugee crisis worsens and we have a global religious/race war.

Look at Germany.

Europe is already paying the price for being willing buttbuddies to the US in the illegal wars of aggression in the Middle East under the guise of "fighting terrorism," when really they are just running everyone's economies, creating more terrorists, increasing the deficit and putting your freedoms and rights in the shredder.
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
@GeistInTheMachine nope, I won't delete it. because you are trying to express yourself and you have a right to do so and you didn't use any swearing/harsh words (imo) anyway, so we're cool.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@octoberthesixth Thank you for being cool!
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@GeistInTheMachine hmm good post, generally well expressed but sometimes making sweeping statements that are opinion based but not borne out in fact.. e.g. that the muslim world was fucked by Britain. hmm now some of it was.. but actually, factually most of it wasn't.. the Muslim world extends and has expanded considerably and for much of that Britain wasn't involved.. People make the mistake of assuming Britain was everywhere.. they weren't .. they also make the mistake of forgetting all the other nations that had their own empires, some of which were Muslim countries.. e.g. Morocco and many others.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@Adaydreambeliever Thank you for your input! The British Empire was not the only offender by any means. I also mentioned the other allied Colonial powers of the time. I'm sure that all the problems of the Muslim world cannot be pinned on the major Allied powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but I feel that the damaging effects colonialism had on the Middle East (and Africa, for that matter) should not be understated.
@GeistInTheMachine Always good to see you. Everything you’re saying makes sense and is based on [b]provable[/b] facts. Whatever coward downvoted, is clearly someone in denial. 🙁
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@GeistInTheMachine Agreed. I don't hate Muslims, but I do not approve of some of the dogma and religious beliefs particularly when mixed with a patriarchal culture. I have the same issues with most other religions as well.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@bijouxbroussard Eh, it's alright. I could have been more diplomatic and kind in the way I said things, but it is what it is.

Always great to see you too!
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine this is absolute rubbish
And you can block me
I would really invite you to educate yourself.
You have made sweeping statements about 1.2 billion people on the planet. This capacity of great evil is nonsense.
I think what you meant is that humans do in general.
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine being uncivilised is not just particular to Muslims.
Ok
Muslims live all over the world.
White black yellow
Where their is group that is uncivilised that place still has a mixture of cultures religions etc.
There are many uncivilised countries and it isn’t because they are a muslim country.
There are so many things wrong with what you have argued
I can’t put into words here.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@Carlisle Calm down. Don't get your panties in a twist.

I specifically said: "Muslims have a great capacity for violence. [u][b]So does humanity in general[/b][/u]."

Nowhere did I say that ONLY Muslims were uncivilized. Before you come at me with your cries of "educate yourself," it would behoove you to learn reading comprehension.

What is it you're even arguing here? That Muslims do not have the capacity for great evil? Last time I checked, Muslims were human, and humanity has the capacity to do both great good and great evil.

I challenge you to find me a major religion that has as much blood on its hands as Islam in modern times.

The saddest and most ironic thing about Islamic violence is that it mostly targets other, more moderate Muslims!

So, instead of getting all emotional, learn to read.

I'm not going to waste my time blocking you - I'm not afraid to have my ideas challenged.
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@JimboSaturn Same here!
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@Carlisle And ah, yes... The "Muh 1.2 billion people!!!" line.

I don't care how many Muslims are on the planet. That is an appeal to numbers, which is useless.

My points still stand. If you don't like what I have to say, refute my points instead of lashing out with your emotionality.
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine I did.
You brandished all of them.
That is a lie.
They are not blood thirsty
Uncivilised or savage. Or have a great capacity for violence.
How did you work it out?
Show me billions of savage bloodthirsty Muslims.
Can you?
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine I mean you say you “don’t care”
Yet you make such claims. What evidence do you have to back up this claim.
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine also if it wasn’t for a Muslim mathematician Al Khawarizmi
You wouldn’t be typing on your computer today.
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine here are you blood thirsty savage people
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/12/forgotten-muslim-heroes-fought-for-britain-first-world-war
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine some more uncivilised
Savagery here
https://www.mend.org.uk/heroes-of-the-nhs/
Maybe you could send Bush and trump to invade the British NHS service
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine here you go evidence of intolerance
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49796967.amp
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine more evidence of blood thirsty savagery
Shall I keep going
Feel free to block me anytime
When you finally lose your shit and can’t understand where your hatred came from and realise that you were fed a load of lies.
Then I will be expecting a block
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_Nobel_laureates
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine “muslim world”
Like where is this world? Is it in a corner of the world. Is it some countries?
No it’s nonsense
Because Muslims come in many colours, many races, many nationalities.
So when you say “muslim world” are you talking about America?
England?
Australia?
Africa?
Greenland?
Which country?
Becasye they live in EVERY COUNTRY.
So when you mean the “muslim world” is a dumpster.
What you mean is every country is a dumpster. Including yours.
You are inciting hatred.
Carlisle · F
@GeistInTheMachine you know what replace the word muslim with black
I dare you.
@Carlisle Being black doesn’t come with a set of beliefs, though. Black people don’t even share a universal [b]culture[/b] or nationality.
Carlisle · F
@bijouxbroussard nor do Muslims
@Carlisle Isn’t Islam based upon specific holy books, like the Koran ? Are there different editions of the Koran ? I’m asking because there are different versions of other holy books.
Carlisle · F
@bijouxbroussard are you talking about the people or Islam. Because Muslims are all diverse in culture and have different beliefs to each other have different traditions depending on which country they are from. They are a very diverse group. Just like any other group including black people.
So yes nor do Muslims.
And the book is up for interpretation by many different scholars from many different countries who speak different languages.
Just like no two Hindus are the same
No two Muslims are the same
No two Christians are the same
No two black people are the same.
They definitely do not share a universal culture or nationality.